05-03-2005 12:11									#1
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America hasn't had a credible assassination attempt in a while. The last one that happened was that attempt on Reagan. And that was perpretrated by a non-political nutcase if that movie I watched about is to be believed.

Anywhoo. Why is that? I figure with 300 M people at least one is going to be crazy and organized enough to pose a credible threat.

Also I've been thinking if there were to be an assassination attempt, it would be on a Supreme court justice . The far left has been castrated, and the right doesn't like certain members of the court.

If abortion activists really believe that abortion is murder, than wouldn't they feel fully justified trying to overturn Roe v. Wade with a gun. Which brings up the question what would happen if an S.C. Judge were to be assassinated would public pressure force Bush to appoint someone in favor of abortion?

I guess it depends on whether or not the assassin could be linked to any right for life groups.

Caveat: I respect people who believe abortion is wrong or vice versa, actually respect is too strong. I don't care. I haven't had to deal with it personally so I'll cross that bridge if I ever reach it.

	05-03-2005 12:13									#2
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secret service are badass.

'nuff said

as for judges, yeah you would think some anti-abortion nut would have offed a few of them by now. My guess is they just aren't organized enough to track and find them.

	05-03-2005 12:35									#3
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quote: secret service are badass.

Actually I think it has a lot to do with the monitoring of fringe groups. So I'd give more credit to the FBI, and the cross dressing Hoover; Than I would to the Secret Service. Even during the 60s the assassinations were done by lone gun men.

	05-03-2005 20:20									#4
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quote: America hasn't had a credible assassination attempt in a while.

Tell that to Joan Lefkow.

	05-03-2005 20:31									#5
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If anyone were to try assassinating a political leader, it would be a leftist. There is so much hatred towards Bush out there, I could picture some communist or anarchist or something trying it.

Plus then the curse would be fufilied.

	05-03-2005 20:44									#6
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quote: Originally posted by OzzyKP If anyone were to try assassinating a political leader, it would be a leftist. There is so much hatred towards Bush out there, I could picture some communist or anarchist or something trying it.

Or how about those nutty right-wing militia types? You know, the ones with penchants for blowing up Federal Buildings and the like?

I seem to remember anthrax being sent to Tom Daschle's office, not the White House. Does that count as an assassination attempt?

	05-03-2005 20:46									#7
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Considering Republicans are in control of damn near everything in the government, I'm thinking the rightwingers don't really have a lot to be mad about.

Those who are out of power are the ones who turn violent, not the ones who are getting their way. ....unless you are saying Bush is a liberal president...?

	05-03-2005 20:50									#8
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quote: Originally posted by OzzyKP Considering Republicans are in control of damn near everything in the government, I'm thinking the rightwingers don't really have a lot to be mad about. Those who are out of power are the ones who turn violent, not the ones who are getting their way. ....unless you are saying Bush is a liberal president...?

Look up what ultra-rightie and paramilitary groups think of Bush.

Bush may be rightwing, but he's also a Big Govuhment, authoritarian rightwinger. The ultra-right hate that more than anything else, and they don't care if a president is republican or democrat.

And yeah, by the nutcase standards of the right, Bush is liberal.

	05-03-2005 20:57									#9
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With how much the rightwingers hated Clinton, and considering they never made a credible assassination attempt, I'm thinking they aren't going to go for Bush. Leftists though... possibly.

	05-03-2005 21:37									#10
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http://www-tech.mit.edu/V114/N57/assass.57w.html

Short memories we have!

And possibly...monkeys might fly out of your derrier. Anything is possible, dear OzzyKP. It's a question of likelihood.

In terms of groups in the U.S. that have engaged in armed violence against the government, the awards go to right-wing groups, be it militia nuts or religious nuts. And considering it's the utra-right that has the hard-on for any weaponry they can get, I think it is just as likely one of their ranks would make a "credible" assassination attempt against a leader. Again, if you think they have any love for "Patriot Act" Bush, you're gravely mistaken.

	05-03-2005 22:03									#11
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Commies don't do assassinations except as part of a guerilla war. The couple assassinations in the U.S. committed by anarchists were usually by nut-bags who thought they were anarchists (such as the guys who killed McKinely and Chicago Mayor Cermak) but didn't know what anarchism was. Most assassinations in the U.S. have been carried out by right-wing nutbags.

The key here is, nut-bag. There has been no organized political movement in the U.S. that ever considered assassintation a legitimate tactic.

	05-03-2005 22:05									#12
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Except the CIA.

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quote: Originally posted by Kuciwalker Except the CIA.

They aren't a political movement, and some would say they aren't organized.

I do, however, have to correct myself. The KKK had a policy in the 19th and for most of ther 20th century of carrying out assassinations against government officials and prominent leaders of whatever it was the KKK hated.

	05-03-2005 22:25									#14
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quote: Originally posted by OzzyKP With how much the rightwingers hated Clinton, and considering they never made a credible assassination attempt, I'm thinking they aren't going to go for Bush. Leftists though... possibly.

Ozzy, Bush isn't that right ring compared some of these groups out there who want either an fundamentalist Christian state, or a sort of Anarchy where the Gov't has no power. Can you at least imagine why Ruby Ridge types who are afraid of the government might not like Bush with all he has done to encroach on civil liberties?

In fact, I'd say the extreme right wing might even have more reasons to hate Bush than the Extreme left. Remember, I'm talking extremes, as in probably no one who posts here.

	05-03-2005 23:22									#15
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quote: Originally posted by chegitz guevara The key here is, nut-bag. There has been no organized political movement in the U.S. that ever considered assassintation a legitimate tactic.

Exactly. And there is no shortage of nut-bags on the Left.

	05-03-2005 23:25									#16
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Yeah, commies like Timmy Mcveigh, and Teddy Kaczynsky.

	05-03-2005 23:25									#17
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quote: Originally posted by OzzyKP Exactly. And there is no shortage of nut-bags on the Left.

Maybe so, but pound for pound, most nutbags are rightwing.

	05-03-2005 23:27									#18
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Wasn't Kaczynsky a leftist? Or a more left leaning nutjob than a right leaning nutjob... I forget.

	05-03-2005 23:31									#19
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quote: Originally posted by Boris Godunov Or how about those nutty right-wing militia types? You know, the ones with penchants for blowing up Federal Buildings and the like? I seem to remember anthrax being sent to Tom Daschle's office, not the White House. Does that count as an assassination attempt?

you just assume the person sending the anthrax was a right winger?

	05-03-2005 23:31									#20
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He was a right-wing, "return-to-nature" nihilist, and hated leftists, esp. the compassionate "hug hug hug" type.

Read some of his stuff. It's quite an interesting essay into material success and happiness in the modern era. I obviously don't agree with his conclusions, I am, in fact, his direct ideological adversary, but it's fascinating, none-the-less.

	05-03-2005 23:35									#21
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Return to nature stuff sounds pretty leftist to me.

And don't forget all the eco-terrorists out there either.

	05-03-2005 23:38									#22
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quote: Originally posted by OzzyKP Return to nature stuff sounds pretty leftist to me. And don't forget all the eco-terrorists out there either.

Reutrn to nature isn't exclusively the province of the left. Therer are quite a number of right-wing naturalists. After all, conservation and conservative come from the same root. Hell, the Nazis were huge into naturalism, supposedly pulling a couple divisions off the Eastern Front to replant forests destroyed by allied bombing. You can't get anymore right-wing then them.

Even in today's Green movement, there are quite a few right-wing nutters. Think, hunters like lots of nature.

	05-03-2005 23:40									#23
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quote: Return to nature stuff sounds pretty leftist to me.

You'd think so? What happened to the left these days? *cries*


But, again, you have to read his stuff to see that he's clearly not a leftist. while leftist primitivists imagine life as a "hug hug hug" extended family working the fields type of bullshit, he envisions a world of" the lone, rugged hunter who is fullfilled by the daily thrills and hardships of his life" bullshit.


Both of these ideals contain many gems, both of these have great lessons to be learned from, both of these are utter rubbish.

	05-03-2005 23:47									#24
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quote: Originally posted by chegitz guevara Reutrn to nature isn't exclusively the province of the left. Therer are quite a number of right-wing naturalists. After all, conservation and conservative come from the same root. Hell, the Nazis were huge into naturalism, supposedly pulling a couple divisions off the Eastern Front to replant forests destroyed by allied bombing. You can't get anymore right-wing then them. Even in today's Green movement, there are quite a few right-wing nutters. Think, hunters like lots of nature.

Evil right-wing lunatic environmentalists! Only enlightened communists understand how to properly destroy nature. All hail the USSR and their majestic rape of the natural world!



Seriously though, that's facinating about the Nazis. I had no idea. Just amazing. Gotta give them a big thumbs up for that.

	05-03-2005 23:49									#25
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Hey, if the nazis were also peacenicks, it would be ideal.

	05-03-2005 23:50									#26
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quote: Originally posted by OzzyKP Only enlightened communists understand how to properly destroy nature. All hail the USSR and their majestic rape of the natural world!

Uhm, who said anything about the left being better on environmentalism? We are, but no one brought it up.

Anyway, the USSR sorta had a major Cold War on its hands, and had to inudstrialize in the worst possible way. So they did.

	05-03-2005 23:55									#27
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quote: Originally posted by Azazel Hey, if the nazis were also peacenicks, it would be ideal.

Especially those sexy uniforms.

	05-03-2005 23:56									#28
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Kazakhstan?

	05-03-2005 23:58									#29
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quote: Especially those sexy uniforms.

I can see it now: "Our platform is to eradicate all impurities from the aryan nation... We're not sure how, though" .


Anyway, uniforms were worn by men. Bleh. Starship Troopers, OTOH:

	06-03-2005 00:02									#30
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quote: Originally posted by Azazel quote: Especially those sexy uniforms. I can see it now: "Our platform is to eradicate all impurities from the aryan nation... We're not sure how, though" . Anyway, uniforms were worn by men.

Not in Return to Wolfenstein. They can storm my trooper anytime.