09-03-2005 12:00									#31
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Well the results are coming in and boy is that ****. ****ing Antonio Villaraigosa is gonna win..

I'm sorry I'm just mad. We are kicking out one corrupt leader and bringing yet another in.

	09-03-2005 13:07									#32
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quote: The place is very walk able and many people do walk rather then drive to the coffee shop, the country store, or one of the restaurants down the block. These places exist you just have to look for them.

i too live a mile from the navy and it seems they always use exam week to hold their big night excercies.
im trying to study abroad next year, but if i dont, ill end up living somewhere off of Governor/genessee, if you know where that is. SC might be a nice place to live, but theres no way i can afford to live there. and face it, those neighborhoods/houses off of governor arnt exactly inspiring. i'd rather live in a skyrise/multistory apartment in a city and be able to walk everywhere then in a treeless - peopless suburb with nothing to do, and where everyone drives 30 - 40 minutes to go do stuff.
living in the 5-805-52 triangle is cheap, but somewhat depressing.

pb is much of the same, but with more clubs and i wouldnt be able to concentrate on studies if i lived there. clairemont/mira mesa are all kinda far away.

	09-03-2005 14:19									#33
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I'm living in Scrippes Ranch which is kind of between Mira Mesa and Poway. Yeah, the Genesee & Govornor area is an old 50's development which reflects the post war "just throw it up as quick as we can" mentality. If you want a walkable neighborhood with trees then try North Park or even the East Village. They've realy did a nice job redeveloping that area plus it isn't far from the gaslamp or the trolley lines. My ideal place would have to be Little Italy though since it is right on the beach, near the trolley, has two large parks, lots of restaurants/bars, is very walkable, but a bit more grown up then PB.

Failing that old town would be another good choice for a walkable neighborhood with plenty to do and several leafy parks. I've seen three bedrooms houses offered for $1400 in old town and 2 bedrom apartments in Little Itally going for about the same. Not bad if you have a room mate.

	09-03-2005 14:36									#34
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quote: Originally posted by Lawrence of Arabia too many highways, too many suburbs, too much growth, too many malls.

This pretty much describes every single city in America with the exception of:

New York
Washington
Chicago
San Francisco

And even those places all have sprawling suburbs.

American cities in general BLOW. They aren't cities anymore unless you are lucky enough to both live and work in the downtown area.

Suburbs

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	09-03-2005 20:40									#35
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Suburbs

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	09-03-2005 20:47									#36
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Multi-story appartment building suburbs, with public transport access, theatres, libraries, etc


American sprawling urban nightmare of semi-repetitive private homes, SUVs, and malls

	09-03-2005 20:58									#37
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quote: American sprawling urban nightmare of semi-repetitive private homes, SUVs, and malls

Suburbia is the place to be!

	09-03-2005 22:22									#39
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New York has huge suburbs- heck, at least 3 counties in NY, one in Connecticut, and most of northern NJ are part of the NY metorpolitan area. The first suburb was Levittown, NY, a suburb of..NYC. The thing is, this area is small, so there is no more room to sprawl.

	09-03-2005 22:32									#40
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Build UP.

Hell, most of Queens is pretty flat.

	09-03-2005 22:41									#41
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Yet, its flat, and yet already much more densely populated than most places in the US. Having worked for a politician in the City, I casn tell you that significant building in Queens to increase density si NOT going to happen- politically impossible.

	09-03-2005 23:34									#42
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Suburbs:
small towns:
Restoration of the inner cities and reversal of White Flight:

	09-03-2005 23:43									#43
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quote: This pretty much describes every single city in America with the exception of: New York Washington Chicago San Francisco

yep, but at least in SF and NY (manhatten) when you are in the city, you know what you are in the city (not sure about those other places.) sure there are lots of burbs around it, but theres no doubt whats the difference between suburbs and the cities.

quote: Multi-story appartment building suburbs, with public transport access, theatres, libraries, etc

see that never happens in most cities in america that arnt on islands/peninsulas because its cheaper to build new, single story buildines than destroy the old and build up skyrises.

quote: I'm living in Scrippes Ranch which is kind of between Mira Mesa and Poway. Yeah, the Genesee & Govornor area is an old 50's development which reflects the post war "just throw it up as quick as we can" mentality. If you want a walkable neighborhood with trees then try North Park or even the East Village. They've realy did a nice job redeveloping that area plus it isn't far from the gaslamp or the trolley lines. My ideal place would have to be Little Italy though since it is right on the beach, near the trolley, has two large parks, lots of restaurants/bars, is very walkable, but a bit more grown up then PB.

what sort of prices are we looking at in north park/ east village for 2 - 4 bedroom?

	09-03-2005 23:46									#44
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quote: Yet, its flat, and yet already much more densely populated than most places in the US. Having worked for a politician in the City, I casn tell you that significant building in Queens to increase density si NOT going to happen- politically impossible.

Let it crawl. First, some higher zoning around transportation arteries... and then crawl from there to the outside, and inside the city.

	09-03-2005 23:51									#45
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Oh, and:

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	09-03-2005 23:57									#46
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quote: see that never happens in most cities in america that arnt on islands/peninsulas because its cheaper to build new, single story buildines than destroy the old and build up skyrises.

Don't tell me there is no zoning regulation on the state level...

	10-03-2005 01:12									#47
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Suburbs suck rocks. The city is the place to be.

	10-03-2005 01:18									#48
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quote: see that never happens in most cities in america that arnt on islands/peninsulas because its cheaper to build new, single story buildines than destroy the old and build up skyrises.

Uhh... transportation costs and pollution from cars?

I don't think there's anything fundamentally wrong with living in suburbia as long as you live near your job and all the services you want to use daily, which I doubt is possible in the American model.

	10-03-2005 01:31									#49
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quote: Uhh... transportation costs and pollution from cars?

highways are subsidized, gas is cheap, so its very cheap to live in the suburbs.

	10-03-2005 01:42									#50
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I don't mind the suburbs... I hate the city however.

	10-03-2005 02:37									#51
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quote: Originally posted by Azazel Let it crawl. First, some higher zoning around transportation arteries... and then crawl from there to the outside, and inside the city.

Not going to happen. Zoning changes need public approval, and any pol from Queens who would support higher zoning is gone the next election. The fact is that most of the county is zoned for higher densities than currently exist (most of NYC current zoning was done in 1961, when planners expected to get a city of 20 million, not 8), and the move in Queens and Staten Island (the two boroughs with the most psace left) is to downzone whole areas to keep were it is.

	10-03-2005 02:41									#52
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quote: Not going to happen. Zoning changes need public approval,

Eh? How big is that public approval, and does it include the residents of the area, only?

Also, does it take a referendum, or can it be done by politicians?


Very wierd and stupid.

	10-03-2005 02:44									#53
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very american

	10-03-2005 02:45									#54
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In soviet Russia, the land zones YOU.

	10-03-2005 02:49									#55
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quote: Originally posted by Azazel

That picture makes me want to shoot myself in the face with a bazooka.

	10-03-2005 02:50									#56
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It's real life SimCity!

	10-03-2005 02:51									#57
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Personally, I think of tumors and bacterial colonies on petri dishes.

And not because I am some sort of hater of humanity, god forbid.

	10-03-2005 02:52									#58
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quote: It's real life SimCity!

And you're zoning low-density residential like there is no tomorrow.

	10-03-2005 02:55									#59
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I'm revoting in the run-off for mayor Jim Hahn. I utterly despise Antonio Villaraigosa.

	10-03-2005 03:08									#60
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quote: Originally posted by Lawrence of Arabia what sort of prices are we looking at in north park/ east village for 2 - 4 bedroom?

These are all current rents for one room in a multibedroom house:

http://sandiego.craigslist.org/roo/63033790.html

3 bedroom in in North park for $1800 or $600 per person.

http://sandiego.craigslist.org/roo/63033988.html

Own room in a 7 bedroom Victorian in La Jolla Cove for $590.

http://sandiego.craigslist.org/roo/63031910.html

3 bedroom in University City for $575 per person.

http://sandiego.craigslist.org/roo/63022480.html

2 bed room one bath 1920's-1930's vintage craftsman home near Babloa Park for $700 per person.

http://sandiego.craigslist.org/roo/63018272.html

2 bed/1 bath in Del Mar (right on the Pacific) not far from UCSD and close to AMTRAK. $750 gets you the master bedroom.

http://sandiego.craigslist.org/roo/63015477.html

Hillcrest/downtown has large parks, lots of restaurants, and full trolley access. It's great as long as you don't mind living in the "gay" part of town plus 2bed/1bath goes for $500 per person.

http://sandiego.craigslist.org/roo/63014711.html

3bed/2 bath in north park for $550 per person.

http://sandiego.craigslist.org/roo/63014022.html

3bed/2bath in PB for $690 per person.

http://sandiego.craigslist.org/roo/62989180.html

Baypark (near Mission Bay so close to Ocean) 3/1 for $1700 or $566 per person.


These are just on Craig's List but if you check signonsandiego.com then you'll find more http://realestate.signonsandiego.co...tals/index.html

Old town is a bit hard to come by but if you can get a pre-WW1 flat or cottage for under $1500 I'd nab it.