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GePap
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of the Big Apple
Nov 2001
time: 23:20
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Originally posted by Azazel
Eh? How big is that public approval, and does it include the residents of the area, only?
Also, does it take a referendum, or can it be done by politicians?
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In NYC the Department of City Planning propses changes to the zoning map. Then the City Council (the legislative elected body of NYC, made up of 51 members elected by district) get final approval. Before the changes move on to the full council, the Borough president's office (akin to County executives in the rest of the US, but generally now a ceremonial post after changes in the Ciyt Charter gutted most of their powers) say whether they approve, as well as the local Community Boards (groups made up of 50 citizens with some interest in the area, meaning they live there, or work there, or own something there, appointed by the Borough president and the local Coiuncilmembers)
In theory, zoning changes not supported by the Borough president or the local Community Boards can pass, but only if majority of the members of the council, especially those in the requisite committees, approve.
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Oerdin
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of Internet Music.
Sep 2001
time: 21:20
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BTW you seem to think all of Southern California is the same as LA which is incorrect. It's a big place and LA just represents the worst of it while Orange County, San Diego County, Imperial County, riverside County, and San Bernardino all represent entirely different ways of life/urban planning. I happen to like San Diego's idea of preserving open space and building density based housing so rail and mass transit becomes viable. That's a remarkably different vision of city planning then LA.
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Lawrence of Arabia
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of the Gulag Archipelago
Apr 2001
time: 06:20
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where the hell would we get our water, genius? |
did you read my post? you wouldnt get any water, and LA would die a slow and horrible death.
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Stealing North Cal's water? The water belongs to the state and 50% of the state's population lies LA or south. You complain about over population meaning a lack of open space in southern California but you should be happy that the water projects and the economic growth keep people in the south instead of moving north who'd lose their open space in a heart beat with the millions and millions of people we have in the south. |
oh, and also from the colorado river too. you guys steal from there too. people dont move north cuz we are anti growth. if LA was anti growth too, people would move out. you see, we like our air to be relatively free of toxic gases.
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BTW you seem to think all of Southern California is the same as LA which is incorrect. It's a big place and LA just represents the worst of it while Orange County, San Diego County, Imperial County, riverside County, and San Bernardino all represent entirely different ways of life/urban planning. I happen to like San Diego's idea of preserving open space and building density based housing so rail and mass transit becomes viable. That's a remarkably different vision of city planning then LA. |
perhaps in your part of San Diego its nice, but i have no illusions on the areas that i will live in, and its pretty depressing. the beaches are nice, but inland isnt so much. those apartments/ houses that you gave me links to are nice, but I dont have a car, and even if i did, im looking at lots of money for gas.
oh and while the OC has its good points, its also 30 minutes driving to go anywhere (one direction) and that again promotes malls, highways and other ugly complexes.
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And if it wasn't for Southern california, the economy of California as a whole would be next to nothing. Lets face it, southern california has and always will be the economic powerhouse of Southern California. You want economic growth in this state then let us have the water that's rightfully ours! And damn, California is one state, it isn't two states (Northern and Southern California). It is California's water and the state has the right to do what it wants with it.
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water from norcal is not rightfully yours. you are stealing it from us, and we have to pay higher prices for it. people in LA pollute like no other, get water for discount rates, and are the biggest wasters of resources. it might look nice compared to a 3rd world craphole, but LA is everything that is bad about urban sprawl. you create so many negative externalities that it cancels out any economic productivty you might have. now that i think about it, there should be an LA tax on all citizens not living in LA proper.
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mrmitchell
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LA is the only city retarded enough to live next to an ocean and have to steal water...
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Oerdin
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of Internet Music.
Sep 2001
time: 21:20
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Cars are cheap. You can find a used one for $1000 and a four cylinder will likely get 30 mpg so gas shouldn't cost that much. Where do you need to go where you can't get mass transit? I know SDSU has a trolley stop right on campus and there are special bus lines which go to UCSD and USD.
In land areas a nice if you get out of the city. San Diego County is larger then the states of New Jersey and Conneticut combined yet 60% of it's area is protected from development by State parks, county parks, federal wild life refuges, national monuments, or other forms of protection which stop development (like military reservations). We have wonderful mountains full of great hiking, waterfalls, and wild life plus large sections of the coastal plain and the beach front are protected from development and many of these areas are open for hiking, bike ride, hourse back riding for the public. If you like water sports then this is heaven with tons of inland waterways & beaches to swim, surf, kayak, jet sky, or boat. And if you want to be miles and miles away from any other person then in a hour you can be in the middle of the Anza-Berrego Desert without another human in site.
You need to hitch a ride with some friends who like the out doors so you can see the natural bueaty of this area before you just write it off. 
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10-03-2005 03:27
The water belongs to the state and 50% of the state's population lies LA or south. You complain about over population meaning a lack of open space in southern California but you should be happy that the water projects and the economic growth keep people in the south instead of moving north who'd lose their open space in a heart beat with the millions and millions of people we have in the south.
Is there something just a little inconsistent with your logic, Giancarlo?
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What part of LA are you in? Torrance? J/k
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