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Education Ministry uses Korean wave to increase foreign student enrollment

In a case of better late than never, the government has come up with plans, including Korean-wave type programs, to lure foreign students here to offset the exodus of Koreans to schools abroad and the decreasing birthrate.

With the aim of increasing the number of foreign students seven-fold to 50,000 by 2010, the Education Ministry said it will invest money to improve the education environment for people from overseas and encourage Korean diplomatic and other agencies to help out.

The ministry will set up education fairs to coincide with overseas events promoting "Hallyu," or Korean wave - the Korean pop culture boom in many Asian countries. The first education fair will be in March at a Korean movie festival in China to celebrate the 100th anniversary of the Chinese film industry.

"The education fair aims at enticing foreign students by making the most use of their interests toward Korean culture," the ministry said in a news release laying out its plans.

Nho Sang-keun, foreign exchange director of Sunmoon University, said he found many Chinese college hopefuls initially intrigued by Korea thanks to the Korean wave phenomena.

"College applicants are trendy young people," Nho said. "We had consulting sessions in China, and surprisingly, when asked why they want to study in Korea, most of them answered that their interests began with the Korean (pop) boom," he added.

Sunmoon University has the fourth-largest number of foreign students despite its modest reputation.

According to the Education Ministry, Yonsei University had the most foreign students in 2004, followed by Seoul National University and Kyunghee University.

"Korea was not on the list of wanna-study countries just a few years ago. But thanks to the Korean wave, Korea has emerged as a preferred country to study in," Nho said.

International student enrollment soared three-fold from 2000 to 2004 in Korea, with Asian students representing the biggest 87 percent. According to figures from the education ministry, nearly 30 percent of 14,600 Asian students here came to learn Korean.

Many say good job opportunities and affordable tuition are also major attractions. According to a 2004 survey of 114 Chinese students who are studying at 10 local universities, 40 percent said they chose Korea so they would eventually improve their job opportunities. Twenty-five percent said they liked Korean culture and 10 percent cited cheap expenses.

Ge Yufang, 25, a Chinese commerce graduate student at Korea University, said, "The trade between China and Korea is highly developed and Korean companies like LG, Samsung, SK, Lotte, Hyundai and Kia have advanced in China.

"I majored both in Korean and Japanese in China, and after studying business here, I would like to work for one of those firms," she added.

There are approximately 9,000 Chinese students here.

Korea University president Euh Yoon-dae said, "Many top-notch Asian students, who would like to work at multinational companies, go to Ivy League schools (in the United States). But we are targeting a niche market in Asian countries where many students want to work at Samsung or LG."

Nho said Korean institutions provide quality education, especially in information technology, with affordable fees.

"Tuition prices are cheap compared to Europe, North American countries and even Japan. They are one half or one-third of the fees at Japanese universities," he said.

Japanese students made up 90 percent of the 641 international students at Sunmoon University last year. (poor poor students)

"Korean universities give courses on IT which the Japanese favor," Nho said.

An admission official at Yonsei University said, "Students who are not smart enough to go to the United States or Europe decide to come here. Korea is close and the tuition is not that much of a burden." (that'd be a good chant "we're number 3! we're number 3!")

Many say, however, that the government's bold initiatives require more money for Asian students.

Universities welcome the ministry's plans to attract students but say the priority is not temporary education fairs or advertising blitzes, but proper funding for foreign students.

The ministry said it will increase the number of invited students from 55 to 71 this year, and gradually increase the number. It is focusing on attracting Asian students by assigning many of them to the student invitation program.

However, Lee Jung-hoon, dean of international education and exchange at Yonsei University said, "The government set a goal of increasing the number to 50,000, but I wonder how it will be able to reach that with meager financial support."

Korea University's president Euh said, "The government is full of hot air, but a crucial thing (government-funded scholarships) is missing. The (low) number is evident if you look at the Japan Foundation."

Every year, the government-funded Japan Foundation invites about 50 Korean students for master's or doctor's degree courses and 30 undergraduate students for short-term language program, according to the Japanese Embassy in Seoul.

Asked what is her main concern about studying in Korea, Qiu Li Kong, a Chinese student doing her master's degree at Seoul National University, answered without hesitating, "Money."

Qiu, who majors in educational administration, said, "On top of the tuition, I have to pay living expenses. The prices are cheaper than Europe or the United States, but are still high."

Officials say certain regulations require change - for example, the number of middle and elementary school years needed to qualify for a place at a university here.

Nho said, "Do you think a student who is able to get into Oxford University can be admitted to a Korean university? The answer is no, because he could not do 12 school years in England, where there are only 11 years spent at school."

He added, "Other countries such as the Philippines and Russia have different school years as well."

One good thing about the government plans is that they strengthen screening of illegal students while simplifying the overall immigration formalities.

"We are going to introduce a school responsibility system. For universities which have a record of taking in illegal students, we will be strict. For others, we will make it easy," said ministry official Gang Yeong-sun.

Immigration officials said some local universities, including Gangwon University, were caught for taking in ineligible students to offset a low enrollment.

The Ministry of Justice said 5 percent of foreign students and about 30 percent of language learning students were in Korea illegally in 2003.

"They (unqualified students) can easily enter the nation cheaply and openly under the student status, and then they run away," Nho said.

"China has many bright students. On the other hand, there are some people who should never come to Korea. We need to screen those people. What would Chinese people think of Korea when an incapable Chinese is accepted to a Korean university?"

The top universities, mostly located in Seoul, focus on trying to send their students overseas rather than actively luring international students. Only three percent of Seoul National University's students are foreign, compared to 9 percent at Beijing University and 11 percent at Tokyo University, according to figures published in the Chosun Ilbo.

"Universities should be international. They become competitive when Korean students are mixed with foreign students on campus," said Park Sang-reol, executive director of the International Abroad Education Ad House Inc., a high profile agency which helps Korean students going abroad and foreign students coming here.

"The government is not able to get a proper mix by itself. Universities, too, must try. However, good universities in Seoul do not seem to care about attracting foreign students," he said.

In Australia, for example, universities operate a nonprofit education and professional organization called IDP, counseling students at their worldwide branches about studying in Australia.

Some Korean universities such as Sunmoon University are actively pursuing foreign students via rigorous promotion activities. The Japanese alumni of the university have presentation sessions in seven or eight areas, providing useful information to college applicants.

Korea University is also trying to entice foreign students by planning to pay three-quarters of the tuition for graduate students. Euh, its president, said that science, engineering and international study professors are in China scouting for talented students there.



"When they return to their home country, international students can be pro-Korea, not anti-Korea. Attracting students is a must for Korean universities," Nho said.

(hjjin@heraldm.com)



By Jin Hyun-joo



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Although I really fail to see the attraction of Korean pop culture or unis. Except for Korean movies (they're amazingly good) all the pop culture here is bland derivative corporate crap that I try to avoid as much as possible. And the unis are a bit of a joke here. The students don't do much of anything frosh year since all the guys have to go to the military after their frosh year. After that, they don't learn to much either due to massive class sizes (due to a massive recent increase in enrollent without a much of an increase in number of profs) and a large-scale unwillingness to fail anyone (I know one guy who teachers at a uni and he was under a lot of pressure to not fail anyone, even the people who never showed up which is what he eventually did when it looked like his job was at stake).

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At least they know they're not in a position to be number one. They know their nitch and they're going after it.

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At least they know they're not in a position to be number one. They know their nitch and they're going after it.

Yeah but it still cracks me up

Hmmm I know that Japanese universities are also a bit of a joke (vacation after working you ass off in HS). Is China the same?

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The Movies are good, and honestly? I like the tv miniseries, particularly Rooftop Room Cat.

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"Students who are not smart enough to go to the United States or Europe decide to come here.


Building self-confidence from the first moment.

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The Movies are good, and honestly? I like the tv miniseries, particularly Rooftop Room Cat.

Nononononononono! They're evil! ALL evil!
My fiance's mom always watches this one where a blind girl gets dumped by her bf and then gets to see. She gets a new bf who is coincidentally the best friend of her old bf and she spends a lot of time around both them them. After months the finally realizes that the friend of her bf is her ex so they immediately start kissing, which is when the current bf walks by and seem the together. Gaaah! *claws eyes out*

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I got my wife the box set of Damo for Christmas. The melodrama aside, I thought it was not so bad.

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I got my wife the box set of Damo for Christmas. The melodrama aside, I thought it was not so bad.

And now there's a big boom of dramas set in America. They're so entertainingly awful. One's hero is a Harvard Law School student and his Harvard Medical school gf (Koreans love HARVARD!!!) in which all of the professors and Americans in general try to make their life miserable.

There's another one in which a Korean women marries a foreigner and move to the states with him on the condition that her girlfriend live with them too (go figure) to watch on while he descends into alcoholism and spousal absuse. Fun!

In the third, the heroes are Domino pizza workers in New York or something and they somehow managed to have a 10 minute long scene of them in the pizza kitchen without them doing any actual work whatsoever

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Oh God... that Harvard one was so horrible. I think all the white "actors" were just pulled in off the street.

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They likely were. "Hey buddy, want to be on TV?"

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Oh God... that Harvard one was so horrible. I think all the white "actors" were just pulled in off the street.

Just be happy you don't have to watch Surprise. Its all in English (with the occasional bit of korean commentary) with all whitey actors but made in Korea. The acting is just so dreadfully awful, (not to deep of a whitey acting talent pool here) especially since the scripts are made so that Koreans can catch as much of the dialogue as possible. That and the constant Surprise "ooooooooooooooooh" track.

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I hear that damned "ooooooooh" track in my dreams. Somebody please make it stop!

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Oh and on the subject of the sillyness of korean pop culture I just couldn't resist posting this:

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The problem the export of Hollywood culture is not everywhere has a sunny-all-year climate....

Korean pop culture isn't that good, but it is better than what comes from any of the Chinese-speaking areas of the world.

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Oh and on the subject of the sillyness of korean pop culture I just couldn't resist posting this:


nice legs, bad hair.

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Hmmm I know that Japanese universities are also a bit of a joke (vacation after working you ass off in HS). Is China the same?

Yes, but with some major recent changes.

Students work very hard in high school/middle school, undergo brutal tests, then (until recently) the top 5% got into college where virtually everyone passes virtually every class, whether they actually show up or not. Rampant, unabashed copying and cheating (by students and faculty) is absolutely the norm. I taught at one of China's top universities for one semester, and experienced this first hand.

Some of the other 95% who don't make the grade head abroad for college.

However, there has recently been a big change in what happens upon graduation. Up until recently, few students needed to search for work upon graduation. Virtually all graduates received one or more offers of employment and stepped immediately into their new jobs.

However, China recently underwent a crash program to increase the number of college grads, more than doubling the number in just four years (Chinese don't do things in half measures).

This has caused some huge problems. Many of the new schools are private ones, with high tuition and questionable academic credentials. Also, there is now a major oversupply of college grads, many having to spend months searching for jobs, which is quite a rude awakening for many.

Some new college grads are making the painful discovery that their initial job offers involve pay at about the same level as factory work. This is difficult to swallow for a student whose family sacrificed to scrape together four years of college tuition. Also, for many Chinese college graduates, taking a job at a factory would involve an unacceptable level of loss of face.

Here in Shanghai, the numbers of college grads unwilling to take jobs at the paltry initial salaries offered has been large enough to create a burgeoning class of young "gentlemen/ladies of leisure" who live off their doting parents (remember: one child policy). A few wind up in my English classes, bored and directionless.

So, yes, college life seems mighty easy in China, but it no longer insures a good job as it did until recently.

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nice legs, bad hair.


I see nothing wrong with their hair. Nor do I see anything really silly....

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I see nothing wrong with their hair. Nor do I see anything really silly....

Its ****ing snowing, you don't wear miniskirts when its ****ing snowing.

Mindseye, sounds a bit familiar. Apparently Korean college grads have increased in numbers quite a bit lately and with that and the economy not doing so well they've been having a MUCH harder time finding jobs than would be the case a couple of years ago, there's been a number of suicides etc.

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I see nothing wrong with this picture.

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Its ****ing snowing, you don't wear miniskirts when its ****ing snowing.

Mindseye, sounds a bit familiar. Apparently Korean college grads have increased in numbers quite a bit lately and with that and the economy not doing so well they've been having a MUCH harder time finding jobs than would be the case a couple of years ago, there's been a number of suicides etc.


It can't be snowing if there is not snow on the ground

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The problem the export of Hollywood culture is not everywhere has a sunny-all-year climate....


Yeah, it gets cold even here in California yet I am amazed that so many young women feel compelled to wear miniskirts and belly shirts in the dead of winter. You know those poor girls must be freezing.

It's times like that I'm happy I'm a man who can wear pants and long sleeves when I feel like it.

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I see nothing wrong with their hair. Nor do I see anything really silly....


I always thought wearing mini-skirts in a snow storm was slightly silly.

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I always thought wearing mini-skirts in a snow storm was slightly silly.


a few flakes is not a snowstorm.

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Its ****ing snowing, you don't wear miniskirts when its ****ing snowing.


Those are miniskirts?

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Oh and to post something slightly on topic (somebody had to do it), there was a long series in the WaPo a couple of months ago about a lot of Koreans coming to the US to opt out of the Korean education system.

Apparently, many families come to the DC area, for instance. The mom enrolls at a community college for the student visa and the kids go to local high schools (which are reasonably good). Dad stays in Korea to work at Korea Inc. to pay for all of this.

Weird setup, but from little I know about the Korean education system, this kind of drastic action perhaps makes sense.

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a few flakes is not a snowstorm.


It does where I come from.

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Those are miniskirts?


Well, they aren't shorty-short miniskirts, but they do end above the knee.

I'd have to know about the circumstances of this snowstorm, their origin, and their destination to pass judgement on their attire.

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Oh and to post something slightly on topic (somebody had to do it), there was a long series in the WaPo a couple of months ago about a lot of Koreans coming to the US to opt out of the Korean education system.

Apparently, many families come to the DC area, for instance. The mom enrolls at a community college for the student visa and the kids go to local high schools (which are reasonably good). Dad stays in Korea to work at Korea Inc. to pay for all of this.

Weird setup, but from little I know about the Korean education system, this kind of drastic action perhaps makes sense.

Yeah that's somewhat popular (my old doctor was doing that) but there's lots of ways to tap into the American educational system. A lot of people send their kids to live with an uncle or something in the states. My old school had a profitable side business sending kids to homestays and private schools (lot of Christian kids and Christian private schools are often pretty afordable). In my current school a lot of kids go to very preppy boarding schools in the states and come back here to get lessons from me during their vacations (am getting slammed with classes now that its american spring break) or plan to do so when they hit high school. Also a lot of Korean execs get rotated into jobs overseas so you get some that way too.

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I got my wife the box set of Damo for Christmas. The melodrama aside, I thought it was not so bad.


Is that the tunneling movie?

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Its ****ing snowing, you don't wear miniskirts when its ****ing snowing.


I once saw a girl wearing less than that in -20 celsius weather. All she was wearing was a skirt and a spagehti string tank top. Not even a coat or anything. Clubbers.

 
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