10-03-2005 14:56									#31
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In the UK spanking your kids in public would get you arrested.. funny how two countries can be so different in some ways, so similar in so many others.

	10-03-2005 15:29									#32
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Stupid Christian commienazi hippie fundies

	10-03-2005 18:59									#33
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I do support corporeal punishment but it should be used as the extremely last resort.

After all, pain is the ulimate teacher. How else did we learn how not to put our hand on a hot stovetop?

There are so many kids out of control because at school teachers cannot do much except for documenting their behavior, trying to talk to them, giving them detention and so on. And at home their parents would not take care of their disciplinary issues.

Recently there was this situation in which two kids after their entire lives (they're in high school) who were so wild because they were never disciplined properly. Now one of them are in jail right now for murdering a fellow classmate.

Who suffer in the end? The society.

Again I'm not saying we ought spank kids for every single thing they do. But again some people only understand pain.

	10-03-2005 20:11									#34
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quote: Originally posted by Whaleboy Stupid Christian commienazi hippie fundies

I take it, you don't approve then ?




























































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	10-03-2005 20:35									#35
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Stick to the topic folks and enough with the personal crap.

	10-03-2005 20:51									#36
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quote: Originally posted by Barinthus Recently there was this situation in which two kids after their entire lives (they're in high school) who were so wild because they were never disciplined properly. Now one of them are in jail right now for murdering a fellow classmate.

And you think physical punishment is the only answer???Wrong wrong wrong. My parent's punishments were based on who I was and what I liked. When the punishment lasts 3 days or a week you better believe a lesson was learned-- bad actions have consequences and those consequences are not necessarily over immediately.

But then again, my parents were pretty amazing in their ability to be consistent and firm. I didn't really APPRECIATE it as a kid but I knew for sure that they NEVER put up with any crap and misbehavior always had consequences. As a parent now I a trying to do the same thing.

I just don't think I will ever have to hit my children EVER. There are other ways IMHO that can be every bit as effective

	11-03-2005 08:48									#37
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If you can discpline your kid without hitting them - great!. But what if you tried every single possible way out there in the world and your kid is a beast from the deepest pit of Hades?

	11-03-2005 08:50									#38
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quote: Originally posted by Barinthus If you can discpline your kid without hitting them - great!. But what if you tried every single possible way out there in the world and your kid is a beast from the deepest pit of Hades?

Taser'em.

	11-03-2005 09:02									#39
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I dont know if this is a right way but threats work well with my kids. I have threatend to beat them but i have never had to. I take away their prized things make them do more chores. Once om daughter said if i hit her shed call the police and report child abuse. I told her she didnt have to Id drive her to her new foster parents house and leave her there thats the last time she ever said that. Im a learnign parent i come up with things to shake them to keep them in line. To answer if my kid was so bad id turn him over to the juvinile to teach him a lesson.

	11-03-2005 09:33									#40
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My mom tried that on me once: Threatening to put me up for adoption. I called bullsh!t and laughed it off...



I haven't seen my biological family in years... *







*Joke; she never went further than the threat.

	11-03-2005 09:44									#41
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Well my oldest was asked a question in school the other day. The question was who are you afraid of who could hurt you and my son piped up and said My Mom. I didnt mention that i went further then just words I actually made two of them pack a bag and I walked them to my truck and started driving I wasnt going any where but they didnt know that. Iguess I am a mean mom.

	11-03-2005 10:35									#42
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Well that was an inefficient use of your time; you should have taken them as far as the bus station ticket line. That would have rattled the insolence right out of them once and for all, just for the cost of less than a tank of gas.

	11-03-2005 10:37									#43
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Hey well at least it worked and you did not have to lay a hand on them. Kudos to you.

	11-03-2005 13:20									#44
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quote: School officials defended the decision because parent-administered corporal punishment is clearly outlined in the school guidelines, something that parents must sign off on.

they get parent to sign on such things??

	11-03-2005 20:37									#45
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quote: Originally posted by Mrs. Tuberski I dont know if this is a right way but threats work well with my kids. I have threatend to beat them but i have never had to. I take away their prized things make them do more chores. Once om daughter said if i hit her shed call the police and report child abuse. I told her she didnt have to Id drive her to her new foster parents house and leave her there thats the last time she ever said that. Im a learnign parent i come up with things to shake them to keep them in line. To answer if my kid was so bad id turn him over to the juvinile to teach him a lesson.

It sounds as if your methods are working for you--

My plan is to never threaten anything I don't intend to carry out --- plus we must present myself and Mrs Flubber as an indivisible parental block ( We ALWAYS support each other in front of the kids)

I think by being consistent and firm, you WILL get respect of your children -- Thats the hope. My son is 22 months old and I can already see how much he wants to please his parents

	11-03-2005 20:44									#46
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quote: Originally posted by Barinthus If you can discpline your kid without hitting them - great!. But what if you tried every single possible way out there in the world and your kid is a beast from the deepest pit of Hades?

Then I will have utterly failed as a parent. I just don't think that discipline enforced by force only ( and with no acceptance of the legitimacy of that authority) will be met with anything but the barest compliance.


Mrs Flubber and I were both raised by parents with similar styles. Moderately strict rules ( a bit stricter than average) with parents that had an attitude that PROJECTED authority. No empty threats . Lots of affection and praise when a child does well ( and generally lots of affection for that matter). Neither of our parents were perfect but looking back we both think our parents did a good job and see no reason their methods can't continue to work.

	12-03-2005 01:58									#47
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I see alot of my parenting skills that my mom used. not all but a lot. I have 3 kids that mind their manners every once in a while the will fight with each other. no ill say every day but who didnt as a kid. My point is i have never had to spank them.

	12-03-2005 02:49									#48
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Spanking only works if you don't use it on a regular basis. If you have to keep one last resort punishment, then it has to be one you're willing to use, and it has to be one that shocks the kid. I think a smack works on both counts, but only as a last resort. As long as the parent remains in control and follows through with decisions, it shouldn't be needed very often.

	12-03-2005 03:03									#49
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quote: Originally posted by Immortal Wombat Spanking only works if you don't use it on a regular basis. If you have to keep one last resort punishment, then it has to be one you're willing to use, and it has to be one that shocks the kid. I think a smack works on both counts, but only as a last resort. As long as the parent remains in control and follows through with decisions, it shouldn't be needed very often.

I dont know about that I have a sister whos husband spanks his girls They give him a lokk like what next after they have been spanked and go on back to what they are doing. The do however now express their dislike for their dad.

	12-03-2005 03:13									#50
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Then he's overused it, or not tried enough punishments prior to it. When I was spanked as a child, it wasn't the fact that I was hurt that would make me stop, it's the fact that being hit was a sign that my parents had reached the end of their tether and were getting really angry. If a parent is firm and in control all the time, then it makes the physical punishment an exceptional enough circumstance that it works.

	12-03-2005 03:23									#51
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All i can say is that spankings didnt do much but make me hate the spanker too. I witnessed this when i was a teen My oldest sister not the one I metioned earlier ran aay from home lied to mmy mo hid at at her bfs house when my mom finally draged her out of the house and got her home my sister kept smarting off and things like that. Finally my mom whipped her with a vacum cleaner extension cord. The sister still continued to do all the things she did after that. My grandma used to uses switches on use when we were little I know that I hated her for it after.

	12-03-2005 05:37									#52
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I have known parents who would even spank their kids right in front of me in an exam room. In general the kids treated that way are not the best mannered kids.

	13-03-2005 02:29									#53
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Free beatings and S&M for everyone!

	13-03-2005 02:38									#54
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quote: Finally my mom whipped her with a vacum cleaner extension cord.

Damn

	13-03-2005 02:43									#55
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Spankings are a last resort but one which should be available for extreme cases for children 12 or under. An excellent example of a good time to use it is when your child is misbehaving so badly that the school must call you at work to come pick up your child.

It's the final line which shows how disgusted you are with their misbehavior; it's about making the punishment fit the crime. If you're doing it so much your child hates you then you are over using it.

	13-03-2005 02:45									#56
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quote: Originally posted by Barinthus I do support corporeal punishment

What about incorporeal punishment?

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quote: Originally posted by Barinthus If you can discpline your kid without hitting them - great!. But what if you tried every single possible way out there in the world and your kid is a beast from the deepest pit of Hades?

Large quantities of sedatives along with electroshock therapy?

	13-03-2005 02:51									#58
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quote: Originally posted by Clear Skies What about incorporeal punishment?

I don't believe anyone has ever claimed violent punishment was the only punishment which should be used. Instead everyone has said it is a last resort which should be used sparringly if at all.

	13-03-2005 03:06									#59
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...I was p***taking. If you think you ought to be able to slap your kids' souls around a bit with a ghostly two-by-four, have a blast.

	13-03-2005 03:17									#60
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I think parents are the only ones making the choice if they should spank their kids or not and everyone else should just stay out of it. I mean obviously not crossing the line of abuse.

It is said that if you don't spank your kids, you don't love them enough. I don't know.. though I believe in physical punishment in more ways then most people, I think I might nto be able to even spank my kids. Then again I expect them to learn when me and my wife teach them sharing, teach them respecting other people and tolerating people and different ways, all that liberal ****, I expect them to behave normally, meaning there will be some .. problems, but nothing out of the ordinary problems. I feel that I will teach them respect and yes, parents have absolute authority in their lives for many years. If they misbehave, I don't know if I can spank them. It's not that I don't think it's a good idea. I think it's a good idea. I just feel already that I'm not able to do it.

In here we have a nice little tradition, where a kid is supposed to go and get a wig from the tree for the parent that will be used to whip the kids butt. Kind of nice way, where they have to get their own weapon they'll be beat on . Then they cry while they take the wig out of a tree, making the mistake of taking the most .. weak looking wig, notrealizing it'll whip more . And then it's whipping time! Of course, this teaches VERY well not to do it again. I know people who have had to do that.

I was never spanked or hit. My parents didn't believe in it. I believe in spanking yes. Maybe my beautiful wife can do it, that would be the best. Somehow I don't want any part in it. Maybe this makes me weak I don't know. But I don't blame anyone who does it, more power to them.