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Boris Godunov is offline Boris Godunov
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Gay couple sue USANext for anti-AARP slime Tired of ads?

From Salon:

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Lawsuit over USANext's AARP ad

Remember USANext's smear job on AARP -- the internet-only ad that tried to marginalize the AARP out of the Social Security debate by suggesting that the group has something against American soldiers but loves gay marriage? Rick Raymen and Steve Hansen haven't forgotten. They're the Oregon couple shown kissing in the USANext ad. Today in Washington, they filed a $25 million lawsuit against USANext.

"Our privacy and personal integrity were violated when our wedding photo was stolen and used to portray us as treasonous, unpatriotic, and a threat to American troops," Raymen said in a statement released to the press today. "We have been harassed and humiliated by this hateful ad campaign and by the bigotry and anger it has generated against us nationwide."

In their lawsuit, Raymen and Hansen allege that USANext's use of their photograph -- which was copied without permission from the Portland Tribune -- amounted to an invasion of privacy, a violation of their right to control their own images, libel and the intentional infliction of emotional distress. The suit names as defendants both USANext and the political consulting firm Mark Montini International, which apparently created the ad.

According to the Tribune, Montini may have tried to cover his tracks for using the photo without the paper's permission; after the ad appeared, Montini visited the Tribune's Web site and tried to purchase a similar photograph of Raymen and Hansen. The Tribune stopped him, and Montini sent an email message to the Tribune's photo department in which he said it looked "more and more like we did make a mistake and ran with the ad prior to getting your approval." USANext President Charlie Jarvis apologized to the Tribune for using the photograph without permission -- and blamed the Montini firm for it. "We hired this company to buy commercial rights for anything we use on our Web site," Jarvis told the Tribune. "There will be beatings of a severe nature. In business terms that means fines and penalties. I’ll have to go back to the group and find out what’s going on."

Jarvis has offered no such apology or explanation to Raymen and Hansen. "They ought to be suing all the left-wing blogs for circulating this [ad]," Jarvis told the Washington Post last week. "That's who they ought to be asking for an apology."

Raymen and Hansen aren't taking that kill-the-messenger approach. Their lawyer, Christopher Wolf, said in a statement that the couple's lawsuit will make USANext and Montini pay for conscripting Raymen and Hansen for their political campaign. “Our lawsuit seeks to hold the defendants accountable for taking two private citizens and maliciously making them targets for homophobic bigots," Wolf said. "Our clients did not volunteer to be models in a right-wing hate campaign. There are serious legal consequences for deploying them against their will."


You can see the original ad here: http://www.theleftcoaster.com/archives/003763.php

Portland Tribune story on the ad theft:
http://www.portlandtribune.com/archview.cgi?id=28641

Good for the couple. USANext is the same sleaze outfit that tarred Kerry with the swiftboat veteran ads. So we again see there is no level to which they won't stoop, including theft. Take the bastards down!

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Good for the couple.

BustaMike is offline BustaMike
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Take those bastards down

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$25 million over a single photo. *whistles*

Taking slime to the cleaners

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Provost Harrison is offline Provost Harrison
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I hate it when an article launches into the use of acronyms without explaining what they mean. What the hell is an AARP?

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American Association of Retired Persons; basically anyone over the age of 55(?) can be a member, retired or not. It's an interest group for senior citizens.

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How is it an invasion of privacy when the picture appeared in a major newspaper? The newspaper seems like it would be the only one with a valid claim here.

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In their lawsuit, Raymen and Hansen allege that USANext's use of their photograph -- which was copied without permission from the Portland Tribune -- amounted to an invasion of privacy, a violation of their right to control their own images, libel and the intentional infliction of emotional distress.


The Tribune may have standing since they owned the photo, not the couple who was smooching in public and allowed or wanted the Tribune to take the photos.

Using the "legal" system to nail political opponents

Asher is offline Asher
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I thought it stood for American Actors and Role Players, and they were LARP players.

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I kind of hope USANext moves to invoke Rule 11.

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I am against any lawsuit based on copyright. No one has the right to control an idea.

Do sue for libel, though.

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which is?

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I am against any lawsuit based on copyright. No one has the right to control an idea.

Do sue for libel, though.

What idea is being copyrighted?

DinoDoc is offline DinoDoc
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which is?
Sanction the lawyer for bringing a groundless suit.

Asher is offline Asher
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Sanction the lawyer for bringing a groundless suit.

Can they be Rule 11'd for using Rule 11 when it's clearly not applicable?

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The couple doesn't have any standing to bring the suit especially over privacy. They lost control over the image when they allowed the paper to publish it. In this case the paper is the only one that could bring suit. The entire exercise is a waste of the courts time.

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The couple doesn't have any standing to bring the suit especially over privacy. They lost control over the image when they allowed the paper to publish it. In this case the paper is the only one that could bring suit. The entire exercise is a waste of the courts time.

Using someone's image without their permission as part of political propaganda is not illegal in the US?

It sure as hell is in Canada, you need to give explicit permission for this -- even if the newspaper wants to publish your picture.

Not only is there the issue of using your image without your permission, it associates you with their message and has obvious libel implications.

DinoDoc is offline DinoDoc
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The only part of this sordid affair (other than the idiotic content of the attack they launched on AARP) where they erred AFAIK is that they failed to get permission from the newspaper beforehand. I'm kind of shocked that the paper hasn't gone after them on that point.

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Good for the couple

these USANext shitheads need to step in front of a bus...

or be shot and burnt in a pit

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Good for the couple

these USANext shitheads need to step in front of a bus...

or be shot and burnt in a pit


I do respect this couple in doing what it has to...

But it isn't democratic to execute your oppponents. You don't like them? Then you just gotta deal with them.

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But it isn't democratic to execute your oppponents. You don't like them? Then you just gotta deal with them.
Democracy is just the best and most fair way to choose leaders... it isn't the end all be all of politics, nor should it be. ****, if everything was democratic, nobody would pay taxes.

Personally, I'm getting sick and tired of Republican scum in this country. Instead of committing suicide, I'll probably just go on a shooting rampage at my local GOP headquarters.

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Personally, I'm getting sick and tired of Republican scum in this country. Instead of committing suicide, I'll probably just go on a shooting rampage at my local GOP headquarters.


I'm sick and tired of people like you, and people on the conservative side who are just like you (but opposite in beliefs)... who are violent individuals. Many republicans as myself are moderates.

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Many republicans as myself are moderates

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Go laugh at yourself. You are a extremist. I don't think you are any better to the tolerance and acceptance in this country then these wacky christian conservatives.

Atahualpa is offline Atahualpa
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That will just sharpen the borders and nothing more...

OTOH, what's wrong with the ad? Ofc kissing is always better than shooting! If all would kiss instead of shoot, the world would be a better place!

Hooray for the AARP agenda! Make love not war!

Sava is offline Sava
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Go laugh at yourself. You are a extremist. I don't think you are any better to the tolerance and acceptance in this country then these wacky christian conservatives.
What "extremist" position do I hold on anything?

If anything, I'm militant... but not extreme.

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What "extremist" position do I hold on anything?

If anything, I'm militant... but not extreme.


Militant = Extreme.

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Militant = Extreme.
nope

militant.
Main Entry: mil·i·tant
Pronunciation: -t&nt
Function: adjective
1 : engaged in warfare or combat : FIGHTING
2 : aggressively active (as in a cause)


ex·trem·ism
Pronunciation: ik-'strE-"mi-z&m
Function: noun
1 : the quality or state of being extreme
2 : advocacy of extreme political measures :


Now, I challenge you again... name one issue that I hold an extreme position on. I can only think of one, and that's legalization of all drugs.

 
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