08-04-2005 23:22									#61
	Got spare money?

I'll third it. That is utterly shameless.

	09-04-2005 01:13									#62
	Suffering from ads?

As I said, disgusting. 4th

	09-04-2005 01:52									#63
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quote: Originally posted by Boris Godunov No frickin' way. Did they really? Link? I gotta see how they explain this.

Here's the link to the Official Explanation of the save/reload bug issue.

Pay close attention to paragraph 6 - it's a doozy:

http://p223.ezboard.com/fshoguntota...cID=24377.topic

	09-04-2005 02:00									#64
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I just noticed that the link to the site I gave in my above post was posted earlier in this thread. My apologies.

Here is a thead worth reading about the official Total War forums:

http://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php?t=44983

	12-04-2005 16:42									#65
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In the continuing RTW saga, the message below was officially posted by CA at totalwar.com.

Read it and wonder at the logic being displayed.

Can the end be far behind?

quote: The Shogun Admin and CA staff. Posts: 573 (4/11/05 4:23 pm) ezSupporter Patch Campaign -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Can I take the time to say a big thank you to the vast majority of users at these forums whose behaviour is outstanding. Their support for the TW series is what keeps us striving to produce the games we do. We are currently in a quiet period after a major release as we have yet to announce our latest plans for the TW series. As so often in these periods, some individuals turn their efforts to less-than-constructive activities. The guerrilla tactics being advocated by some individuals in an attempt to persuade us to release another patch for Rome: Total War are futile and can only backfire on the perpetrators. Were their campaign to be as successful as they hope, all it would do is to harm the Total War series. For there to be another official patch, the QA cost would need to be funded by Activision and this is apparently not going to happen. This is obviously beyond CA's control so please stop giving CA grief over this. I see absolutely no reason to let individuals who are set on damaging the TW series (no matter how good their declared intentions) continue posting here. Why would we encourage such behaviour on a board that we pay to keep running? Continued destructive posting will result in the individuals concerned being banned.

http://p223.ezboard.com/fshoguntota...cID=24704.topic

	12-04-2005 17:10									#66
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The phrases the message is using are so poorly selected I'm astonished they released that thing. I always thought a PR department would screen these or something to that effect.

	12-04-2005 17:38									#67
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quote: Originally posted by Kassiopeia I always thought a PR department would screen these or something to that effect.

They would screen what? Every post by an admin on the forums? I doubt that somehow.

	12-04-2005 17:42									#68
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true, they should have left it as the last paragraph only with a slightly softer tone. Still its bad news all around, for them and us gamers.
I hope they(CA) take note and ensure their future publisher is more sympathetic to their IP - TW had been getting a very loyal following, i'm sure this will sour much of that.

	12-04-2005 17:54									#69
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quote: Originally posted by vovan They would screen what? Every post by an admin on the forums? I doubt that somehow.

When the admin is posting with the "speaking officially for the designer team" hat on, hell yes. People will treat that as the official word from the higher ups.

	12-04-2005 19:10									#70
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The logic that CA has expressed in the latest notification amounts to the following:

1) releasing another patch for Rome: Total War = harming the Total War series

2) those who advocate that CA release another patch = damaging the TW series

3) those who advocate that CA release another patch = destructive posting

4) those who continue with this destructive posting = being banned


Who can argue with this kind of logic?

Last edited by Leonidas on 12-04-2005 at 19:15

	12-04-2005 19:53									#71
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quote: Originally posted by Kassiopeia When the admin is posting with the "speaking officially for the designer team" hat on, hell yes. People will treat that as the official word from the higher ups.

Right, right, I agree that people will treat that as the official word from the team, and the thread created in forums in response to the announcement indicates just that. However, reading the post carefully, I don't really see any indication that it is a "news release" or that the guy is "speaking officially". It sounds more like him just venting his own frustration at the negative comments of the crowd. I really don't think this is anything more than the guy just deciding to post a note to shut people up. I really don't see any PR being involved here or anyone saying, hey, dude, why don't you go to the forums and quiet down the crowd.

	12-04-2005 20:25									#72
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well one upside of all this is that you can all come back to playing MTW, and then i can have some idle banter as i'm newish to it

	12-04-2005 20:25									#73
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It sounds to me like CA have tried to get Activision interested in a 3rd patch and been told to take a hike. On that basis, banning posters determined to spam about the issues is probably a sensible manoeuvre to prevent their forums being overrun by a single issue.

	12-04-2005 20:54									#74
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quote: Originally posted by Grumbold It sounds to me like CA have tried to get Activision interested in a 3rd patch and been told to take a hike.

Sounds like they're looking for a scapegoat to me.

	12-04-2005 21:24									#75
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The Total War forum where the above notice appeared is owned by the CA Developers.

The Shogun is the guy who posted that notice. He is the forum administrator and is part of the CA staff.

Therefore, The Shogun speaks for CA and the notice is CA's official stance regarding a further patch for RTW.

It is sad, but there it is...

As for me, it means I get to save a pile of money by not having to buy defective games.

MTW + VI with all the available mods keeps me plenty happy.

Cheers!

	12-04-2005 22:50									#76
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This saga really boggles the mind. The TW series can now be taken off the list of games to buy and support rather than download.

	13-04-2005 01:01									#77
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DrSpike

Now I'm just sad I already bought my copy. But, it makes for fun MP, so not all is lost. We should try setting up some games on Poly.

	13-04-2005 01:10									#78
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Yeah I too bought into it

Oh well

Ill play but just sad when a company has a potential winner and falls short by not following through on its shortcomings

~sigh~

sheeple we be

	13-04-2005 01:23									#79
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quote: Originally posted by DrSpike This saga really boggles the mind. The TW series can now be taken off the list of games to buy and support rather than download.

If the game is unplayable with the bug (as it sounds like it would be for a player like me) why DL it? Why not spend precious gaming time on games that are good AND playable, and published by companies with a commitment to support and patch their games (eventually - Im thinking Paradox here ) OTOH if, say, you are playing it really as an RTS, and not playing intermittantly, but in one sitting, so its NOT unplayable to you, why shouldnt you pay for it and support it?

	14-04-2005 04:15									#80
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The game is still good. And if you don't save a game when you're under siege you'll be fine, even though the planned attacks by the AI will be blown off.
Unfortunately that's not the only thing that is wrong. There are many exploits and things that are called 'features'. A variation on the siege thing is that you can conquer the whole map with a diplomat and a single unit. The trick is that everyone becomes your protectorate. It's too complicated to explain it all, but anyway it's things like these that can be avoided.
Bugs like battle difficulty at medium being harder than battles at very hard and hard is worse, and crappy AI behaviour in battles can't be tolerated. There are mods out there that actually improve the AI battles because they use better formations (even though they can't actually change the AI routines), like Darthmod 4.5 etc... mods with more realistic animations, more realistic units etc etc...

This game kicks ass, but it could be better! Maybe the expansion will provide us with the ultimate Rome Total War?

	14-04-2005 05:09									#81
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And they are releasing an xp in october? ROFLMAO

	15-04-2005 03:01									#82
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I hope it tanks and they learn their lesson. Sadly, I know that in reality it probably wont, as the proportion of gamers who will know and care about the bug is quite small.