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Aeson is offline Aeson
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orangesoda
Nov 2001
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Opening the save.

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Diplomacy:

RP sends 100g + WM accepted.

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Builds:

EotS finishes Marine.
Pollution strikes Hurricane.
Pollution strikes Bolderberg.
Dissidentville finishes Battleship.
Sandstorm finishes Settler.

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Sabotoge costs:

ND:

Borcem 12726

GoW:

Killdaria 14332
Resolute 3376

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Nov 2001
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Hope you find Lego's settlers.

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I investigated Neu Mavsu to make sure there is any potential for future in this before diving in. It costs 46g, which is a bargain given what we can save if it doesn't have a chance to work at all.

I'll post the screenshot later, but for now they are at 100% research (GoW is funding them I guess...) with 848g. They are building an Explorer (4 turns) in Neu Mavsu, and have 2 4/4 Inf and a 4/4 Bomber stationed there. So at least as of yet we still have a target that's possible to take.

The cost for Fission hasn't changed yet.

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Don't see Lego anywhere on Stormia or Lego. Probably landed on Bob, as that's the only place that only 2 civs would have a shot at them given they aren't on Stormia.

RP has no cities on Lego, and ND has kept 3 of them and built another of their own. I built a colony on the Lego Oil and sent it to RP.

2 Transports are headed to Lego. 12 MI and 4 Tanks in them. RP will land first, so next turn I could gift Squall to them if we still have it, RP could land rolling then give Squall back to us so we could do the same. It might be best for timing if we delay doing so for a turn or two, but we probably are better off going ASAP. If ND hasn't taken our completely defenseless cities on Lego next turn, they probably aren't planning on it in the near future, but we can load up the 9 of the Transports in 2 turns, so will want to sink ND's navy in 2 turns anyways.

I have moved a good portion of our units to the interior to simulate loading up Transports to head for Lego. Upgraded the 2 Galleys for 320g, which leaves us just enough to finish Miniaturization in 2 turns with RP sending us another 100g. The Internet prebuild will be ready.

We have 9 naval battles to set up for in the same timeframe. Should be doable as we have 9 BB, 6 DD, and 7 Subs in play, as well as our Bombers. I'm showing slightly less than equal force to ND right now with everything else still being produced, in transit, or in cities.

We will have 4 Carriers available to bombard the landing zones in 5 turns and one more a turn behind. WoC is building an Airport to pitch in with 1 turn Bombers with EotS and SA also building Bombers until we have enough to fill the Carriers. Arashi is on Marines, and Marine prebuilds are being masked as Tanks in some of the lower production cities.

We will have 4 Settlers and 52 Tanks to work with if we land. 16 Marines, with 8 of them built the turn we go. We'll have enough Marines to take out a single unit (bombarded down to 1 HP) with the main fleet, and then can chain the rest if necessary. If we break through without needing the chain, then we can send over more MI instead.

Of course if Lego is destroyed this turn we will be out of Mobilization and all the builds will have to change. I have set EotS to build a Worker to make sure we can break into the build queue next turn. EotS has been using a Taxman so outside missing a military build (which we'd probably miss anyways) there won't be any drawback to doing so. It's too bad Lego couldn't be eliminated next turn. That would have worked out well, as we could use the big picture from Miniaturization then.

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Actually, since Hurricane wasn't able to finish it's BB last turn, and only has a few shields to put into whatever it's finishing next turn, I've swapped a tile to EotS and will build a Fighter there. Was going to build a Cavalry, but that might look suspicious, and I doubt ND is going to leave any cities completely open given they have a ROP with GoW. The Fighter will finish if we leave Mobilization and is more useful than a Worker to us.

I also set up colonies on the Saltpeter and Coal over on Legoland. Saves us 2gpt if ND doesn't attack us, and doesn't matter if they do. The rest of the Workers over there are scattered along the coastline to give us as good a picture of what is going on as we can get. (Edit: now they are at points where ND could look into our cities and see if they are defended or not without using movement.)

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Oh, also notice they have 2 sources of Aluminum.

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Was going to build a Cavalry ...



Did Vox give us Mil Trad then?

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I note tht the corruption in New Mavsu is lower than that in Candri, so it seems that the FP is closer to New Mavsu than Candri...

yes it is an assumption, but it makes sense. To me it looks like the FP is south of Borcem...

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Thanks for bringing that up Krill.

The OCN won't be exactly the same but should scale pretty close with distance. Candri's corruption is ~24% while Neu Mavsu's corruption is ~36%, neither in WLTKD. So Candri has to be closer to the FP and/or Palace than Neu Mavsu.

Pamplona looks like it should be the FP given those numbers, distance 8 from Candri, 10.5 from Neu Mavsu. Alambul or anywhere S of there is out because then Neu Mavsu becomes the closer of the two.

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The Internet prebuild will be ready.

More in-depth comments when I find time, but I'm going to ask this question again: is it possible to build the Internet in mobilization? Does anybody knows?

DeepO

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More in-depth comments when I find time, but I'm going to ask this question again: is it possible to build the Internet in mobilization? Does anybody knows?


I have not tried it out, but i think that you can build any wonder that is flagged as militeristic when in mob. And since the Internet will start a GA for any civ, I think that it is flagged as Militeristic.

I think...

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Hi guys,
I just wanted to say what a great work you are all doing, and to suggest that someone open the scenario editor. Since it allows you to alter the properties of wonders, you can also see which traits the Internet holds.
I would have done it myself but I don't have Civ PTW installed.

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From the looks of things, it won't matter as Lego will have been finished off. The editor (1.27f) says the Internet is Militaristic, but the UN isn't. This game was started in an earlier patch (1.21f?), right? So not sure if that discrepancy is due to an earlier ruleset or that the militaristic flag isn't the (only) deciding factor.

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I just wanted to say what a great work you are all doing, and to suggest that someone open the scenario editor. Since it allows you to alter the properties of wonders, you can also see which traits the Internet holds.
I would have done it myself but I don't have Civ PTW installed.


I'd love to, but C3C deletes the PTW editor, and then there is the problem that Aeson states...

Aeson, did you take int account that Candri has a courthouse?

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No, I didn't notice it had one.

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Candri: Temple, Courthouse, Factory, Coal plant, habour;

New Mavsu: Harbour, Temple.

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I tried too use the coruption formulae to find the area that the FP would be in, but I don't understand the damn things...


If/when we invade, what is the likelyhood oof use managing t take out Borcem? and then, what is the probability of us taking the FP, if the FP is no further north than Pamplona?

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We're getting Rocketry!

(from ND, via GoW - see the GoW log.)

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The cynic in me wonders whether ND knew that GoW are giving us rocketry on their behalf Or whether ND had decided not to give it to us, but GoW managed to change their minds since they played the turn in some way.

Now if we can just get that source of Uranium back...

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We don't have enough cash right now to pay for it though. We can finish Miniaturization and the Internet in 2 turns, then take 2 turns (maybe could do it in one, but not sure) to build back the cash, or we can delay Miniaturization and the Internet a turn or two, and have the cash in one turn.

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Would RP still have some cash reserves? Maybe they can help out. I'm not sure on timing either: did they rush the aquaduct before losing the city?

DeepO

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I just responded to RP asking about cash reserves.

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Do we have to give ND 1 turn warning of when the Luxury deals will be broken? I think there might be a way we can work it so we can do so without giving away that we are attacking. If we are short on cash, and instead use a very large gpt deal for one turn to make up the difference, and have ND declare war on us to break the deal...

They probably won't go for it, but it might be worth a shot.

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Also do we have the save from when we finished Computers? I want to check something out about running a deficit. This game in many ways is on Cheiftain, and on Chieftain nothing happens when you run out of cash. No buildings disbanded, no units lost.

I'm not suggesting we use this, I just want to see if it is working that way, and get a ruling from Trip about whether it is allowed or not (definitely should be not). If it is working regularly, I'd also like a ruling from Trip on whether we can run a deficit, losing a building and a unit a turn.

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1-turn warning: I don't know. They certainly set things up so that they could attack immediately, without warning.

Which save do you need, Aeson? I still have everything. Might be tomorrow before I can send it, though, I've got to run again

DeepO

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Turn 242, 1260AD was when we finished Computers.

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I thought we were getting rocketry from ND (via GoW) not Fission, which we got from Vox.

1260AD from Lego

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Aeson, was just lookig at that screenshot, and it looks like they aare doig 100% tax, not research as you said. It looks like they are going to upgrade their infs...

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I'll post the screenshot later, but for now they are at 100% research (GoW is funding them I guess...) with 848g.

 
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