21-03-2005 09:41									#61
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quote: Originally posted by Heresson Yes, I guess so. But they do distinguish between SOME states of USA, Canada and Australia (homosexuality is illegal in Virginia, though, and it is not showed)

Homosexuality is NOT illegal in Virginia.

Some of you sound as if Virginia is run by Ghengis Khan. Virginia isn't Alabama or Mississippi. The governor is a Democrat. Northern Virginia is virtually indistinguishable from any other part of the Richmond to Boston Megalopolis. Virginia is barely the South anymore. I wouldn't be surprised to see Virginia going Democrat, just like Maryland has, within the next 25 years.

	21-03-2005 10:56									#62
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quote: Some of you sound as if Virginia is run by Ghengis Khan. Virginia isn't Alabama or Mississippi.

Communism and homosexuality:

The only reason I might see how homosexuality, in itself, is negative, is the much lower likeliness of gay people having children. And yes, at some point we'll be able to "cure" it, but why should we?

quote: but more generally any curtailment of dissent is harmful in the long run because it discourages innovation.

That's actually not very true. One can put boundries on where innovation and dissent are encouraged, and where they are frowned upon, and usually, the difference of techno-scientific innovation won't drop. Question is, is the increased homogenity of society better or worse? As always, it depends on what we're speaking.

	21-03-2005 13:58									#63
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quote: Originally posted by Heresson I thought some prime minister was put to jail there severa years ago because of alleged homosexual acs with his brother. I guess it was another state.

Yes, Malaysia, but it was with his driver, not his brother.

The trial was a farce, the allegations appeared fabricated. It was a very nasty affair.

	21-03-2005 14:01									#64
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quote: Originally posted by Wycoff Homosexuality is NOT illegal in Virginia. Some of you sound as if Virginia is run by Ghengis Khan. Virginia isn't Alabama or Mississippi. The governor is a Democrat. Northern Virginia is virtually indistinguishable from any other part of the Richmond to Boston Megalopolis. Virginia is barely the South anymore. I wouldn't be surprised to see Virginia going Democrat, just like Maryland has, within the next 25 years.

Virginia sucks . I had to live in Norfolk for almost 5 years.

Pain, oh the pain. The women couldn't even get naked in the strip clubs (called exotic dancers there).

	21-03-2005 16:02									#65
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quote: Yes, I guess so. But they do distinguish between SOME states of USA, Canada and Australia (homosexuality is illegal in Virginia, though, and it is not showed)

Its a blue law, that the lawmakers rightly regard as too much of a hassle to purge from the books, so they just ignore it.

Bureaucracy realizing its own pitfalls

quote: I wouldn't be surprised to see Virginia going Democrat, just like Maryland has, within the next 25 years.

There is that whole 2 million active/retired military citizens that maintain sanity here, and consequently form a solid republican block.

And then there is the West. Remember that the hyper liberls of North Virginia and Richmond are for the most part not citizens of Virginia.

	21-03-2005 18:02									#66
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quote: Originally posted by Ecthelion is homosexual leaning a form of dissent?

Is being gay dissent in itself ?

Hardly. But it may be construed as dissent, by those who wish to stigmatize it outside of any theological/religious setting- as in the Nazi Roehm purge, and Stalin's crackdown on various forms of what were perceived as dissent- 'cosmopolitans' included Jews as well as those whose sexuality did not conform to the new Stalinist 'ideal'.

Even the British Conservative Party (although permeated with 'sexual dissidents' at all levels, could seek to stigmatize even the mention of homosexuality as dissent in itself, in its Clause 28 legislation.


" As Alexandra Kollontai argued in 'The Social Basis of the Woman Question' :

The women's world is divided, just as is the world of men, into two camps: the interests and aspirations of one group brings it close to the bourgeois class, while the other group has close connections to the proletariat, and its claims for liberation encompass a full solution to the woman question. Thus, although both camps follow the general slogan of the 'liberation of women', their aims and interests are different.105

But arguing against cross-class interests among women wasn't the end of the matter. The Bolsheviks also argued with men workers why it was in their class interests to fight for demands such as equal pay for women workers. At the First All-Russian Congress of Trade Unions in 1917, Alexandra Kollontai argued in her address,

'The class conscious worker must understand that the value of male labour is dependent on the value of female labour and that, by threatening to replace male labour with cheaper female workers, the capitalist can put pressure on men's wages. Only a lack of understanding could lead one to see this question as purely a "woman's issue".'

The Bolsheviks had made the right choice of allies. When the October Revolution took place, ruling class women fought on the other side, against the interests of working class women and men. But the working class movement embraced a full programme for women's liberation. The October Revolution was indeed a 'festival of the oppressed', as Trotsky described. All those groups who had been oppressed under the rule of Tsarism were liberated by the workers' government.

In a period of months after the October Revolution women were granted full social and political equality--including the right to vote and run for public office, at a time when no other society had yet granted women full suffrage rights. Legislation was passed granting women workers equal pay for equal work. Abortion was made free and legal. Divorce was granted by request, while age of consent laws were revoked. And despite the tremendous hardships of the civil war which followed the revolution, the Bolsheviks set up a women's bureau, Zhenotdel, which took the first steps toward relieving women of the burdens imposed by the family--by setting up communal kitchens and child care centres, and public laundries.

All laws criminalising homosexuality were repealed, in an attempt to rid society of the distinction between heterosexuality and homosexuality. The Bolshevik Grigorii Btakis described the impact of the October Revolution on sexuality in 1923:

' [Soviet legislation] declares the absolute non-interference of the state and society into sexual matters, so long as nobody is injured, and no one's interests are encroached upon--concerning homosexuality, sodomy and various other forms of sexual gratification, which are set down in European legislation as offences against morality--Soviet legislation treats these exactly as so-called 'natural' intercourse. ' "


http://www.socialism.com/fsarticles.../kollontai.html

	21-03-2005 20:32									#67
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quote: Originally posted by Dissident Virginia sucks . I had to live in Norfolk for almost 5 years. Pain, oh the pain. The women couldn't even get naked in the strip clubs (called exotic dancers there).

I've lived in VA for 5 years as well. Norfolk does suck. I live in Williamsburg, which I find to be a nice place. I plan on eventually moving to the Winchester area.

I'm pretty sure that there are strip clubs in Richmond... they advertise for them on I-95.