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First Chinese auto imports set to make European debut

Dutch rally driver and car dealer Peter Bijvelds expects to sell about 2,000 of the first Chinese cars in Europe this year at almost half the price of their nearest competitor, he said yesterday.

Mr. Bijvelds has a five-year exclusive deal with China's Jiangling Landwind Motor to sell its sport utility vehicle in 27 European countries at a time Europe's car makers are suffering from weak demand amid consumer belt-tightening.

Under the terms of the contract with the unit of China's Jiangling Motors Group, Mr. Bijvelds must sell 1,000 cars this year. He says he can do better and will market the Landwind SUV primarily on its cut-rate price.

"We can do at least double. There is a huge demand for it," the 26-year-old said. "The car is not expensive. The next competitor is at least 40-per-cent more expensive."

Mr. Bijvelds, who began negotiations with Jiangling about a year and a half ago, says the car's price will vary from country to country but that he aims to keep the final retail price to about €15,000 ($24,000) apiece.

He declined to say how much he was paying Jiangling for the vehicles but said his costs were very low.

"The economy in Europe is not doing that well and people aren't spending as much as they did a few years ago," he said.

Mr. Bijvelds, whose dealership is based in the village of Erp, in the Netherlands, has made minor alterations to the SUV in order to meet Europe's strict emissions standards.

He said he has already sold about 300 Landwind SUVs in the Netherlands and is in talks to set up a distribution network in Belgium before expanding across the continent.

But demand for the Chinese car could come from outside Europe too.

"We've had interest from . . . Dubai, Africa and even from Mongolia," he said. "We're just going to conquer Europe and then we will go further."

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american cars are still best

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They may be cheap anywhere else, but with the taxes here in Denmark, a cheap chinese car is going to cost as much as a Volvo in the rest of the world

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Argh. SUVs

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american cars are still best


er.............no

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Trust me, it's no coincidence that they only seem to be driven in America

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Japanese cars > *

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Cool! I had been meaning to start a thread on the Chinese auto industry!

Cars in China are very regional. The composition of local traffic is varies markedly in different cities, depending on what's manufactured (and serviced) in that region.

For example in Shanghai, Volkswagens and Buicks together probably comprise 60% of passenger car traffic. In Wenzhou, in neighboring Zhejiang province, most of the passenger car traffic is made up of Renaults and Citroens.

I believe most passenger cars manufactured in China are foreign makes, but there are a number of Chinese manufacturers. Typically they hire western firms to design the vehicles they produce. Some of the Chinese brands are manufactured under joint venture deals. I believe Great Wall SUVs, for example, are based on the products of its partner, Hyundai.

I'll post some shots I found on the web of a recent auto show.

Below: The Crossover, a new model from Chinese car maker Chery.

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American cars

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Another view of the Chery Crossover.

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A Great Wall CUV.

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A model (I think it's called a "Brilliance") from China's luxury make, Zhonghua.

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My nomination for Best Car Name, Concept Car category: from Chinese car maker Chana, the "Yangtze River Sturgeon".

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Those Chinese cars are fugly.




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I think this is good.

More competition for American carmakers.

America will be forced to make better cars, or the companies will continue to lose sales.

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Another view of Chana's Yangtze River Sturgeon.

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btw, these cars are fugly

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I think this is good.

More competition for American carmakers.

America will be forced to make better cars, or the companies will continue to lose sales.


Or most likely the government would subsidize them.


Ford = Fix OR Repair Daily.

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Trust me, it's no coincidence that they only seem to be driven in America


Yep, the people who think American cars are better do so out of nationalism more than anything.

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Or most likely the government would subsidize them.

yeah, it's so sad that people say they are all for free-markets, but then when American companies start sucking and it's their own fault, people are all like, "ZOMFG government bailout...!!"

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The problem of intellectual property theft in China extends into the auto world. Chevrolet claims that the Chery QQ is a copy of it's Spark. (I have to wonder about that name - Chery - just one similar-looking letter off from "Chevy" ...).

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wow that's plagiarism!

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Well, if it is like with knock-off clothing, you might as well get the knock-off that is almost as good, but a hell of a lot cheaper...

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Well, if it is like with knock-off clothing, you might as well get the knock-off that is almost as good, but a hell of a lot cheaper...

Here in China, the line gets real blurry. Factories manufacturing designer goods often produce "extras" which the factory sells to local distributors. This means that sometimes you can't tell the difference between a "real" designer good and a "fake" because ... there is no difference - except the price.

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Gots to go to China to do some "luxury" shopping.....

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Also, while copying US car designs, one hope they are not copying US fuel efficiency.

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Some of those cars are pretty nice looking... an even the worse aren't as fugly as the Scion box truck abomination.

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They named a car "crossover"? Is it "bi" or "trans"?

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wow that's plagiarism!


Yep, I'm a socialist and even I think people who steal ideas are scum.

Big, bloated, state-run companies that steal peoples ideas:
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