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Sava is offline Sava
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Greenspan admits tax cut error
By Michael Gawenda
Washington
March 17, 2005


With a $4 trillion deficit and benefit cuts looming, the US Federal Reserve chief says cutting taxes was wrong.

US Federal Reserve chairman Alan Greenspan has admitted he made a mistake in 2001 when he defended President George Bush's controversial tax cuts.

The tax cuts led to the turnaround of a large budget surplus at the end of the Clinton presidency to a budget deficit this year of more than $US400 billion ($A506 billion).

Instead of a projected surplus of $US5.6 trillion by 2011, a deficit of $4 trillion is expected if Mr Bush gets his way and the tax cuts are made permanent. They are due to expire in 2008.

Mr Greenspan's defence of the tax cuts was always viewed as highly unusual for a Reserve chairman who is mandated to be non-political and whose major responsibility is to determine interest rates and help keep inflation in check.

Democrats have long seen him as a partisan figure.

Appearing before a Senate select committee on Tuesday, Mr Greenspan was forced to admit that his support for tax cuts had turned out to be mistaken.
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He had mounted the seemingly extraordinary argument in 2001 that the budget surpluses were too big and US foreign debt would be paid off too quickly.

Under vigorous questioning by Democrat Senator Hillary Clinton, Mr Greenspan, looking uncomfortable, said he had been mistaken in his view about ever-increasing surpluses.

"We were confronted at the time with an almost universal expectation amongst experts that we were dealing with a very large surplus for which there seemed to be no end," he said.

"I look back and I would say to you, if confronted with the same evidence we had back then, I would recommend exactly what I recommended then. Turns out we were all wrong".

"Not all of us," said Senator Clinton.

Mr Greenspan did not steer clear of partisan politics, saying that he supported Mr Bush's call for reform of social security, including partial privatisation.

He warned that surpluses in the social security trust fund would quickly evaporate once baby boomers started to retire. He argued for private investment accounts funded by diverting part of the tax paid by employees and employers into the social security trust.

He said there was an urgent need for a review of current commitments to ageing Americans, and the Government must give people time to prepare for the fact that they might have to work longer, save more and spend less.

Mr Greenspan said current projections showed that spending on social security and health care for ageing Americans would consume 13 per cent of US economic output by 2030.

"These projections make clear that the federal budget is on an unsustainable path in which large deficits result in rising interest rates and ever-growing interest payments that augment deficits in future years," he said.

Mr Greenspan's enthusiastic support for social security reform because of unsustainable budget deficits infuriated Democrats, who have not forgiven him for supporting the Bush tax cuts, which they had always argued would use up the Clinton surpluses.

Recent polls show support for Mr Bush's social security reforms is dwindling, with less than 40 per cent of Americans convinced he is on the right track.
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It's no surprise this isn't being reported in the mainstream American media. I saw this on the Bloomberg financial newsticker and googled to find the article. This is just further proof in the myth of the liberal media. A liberal media would made this a top story.

Well, this raises Greenspan's esteem a tad IMO... he's at least able to admit the mistake. It'd be better if he called for the repeal of the tax cuts for the top 1% however. But that might be too much wishful thinking on my part.

But I still @ Greenspan... despite admitting he was wrong, he still is championing for SS privatization. But I suppose that is to be expected from him.

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old news.

He said they were a mistake when we implemented them.

He said it was a mistake to lower taxes without a correpsondind decrease in goverment spending.

Greenspan is the man.

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old news.
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He said they were a mistake when we implemented them.
not so... he was a big supporter of the tax cuts

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He said it was a mistake to lower taxes without a correpsondind decrease in goverment spending.
he's said that before, but in 2001, he was very supportive of the tax cuts regardless of what happened to spending
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Greenspan is the man.
as Fed Chairman, this is the unfortunate reality. IMO, he should stick to the job mandate and not give us recommendations based upon personal political ideology.

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no, I specifically remember him going against the tax cuts unless they also cut goverment spending. He said it wasn't good for the economy to put it in so much debt.

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no, I specifically remember him going against the tax cuts unless they also cut goverment spending. He said it wasn't good for the economy to put it in so much debt.
sorry Diss, you're wrong

Plus, if you are right, he wouldn't be admitting he made a mistake. Instead of admitting a mistake, he would be calling for decreased spending, or "re-iterating" his earlier comments.

But he didn't make earlier comments to the extent you describe. Unless you care to post a link proving your point?

He has said before that tax cuts need to be followd with decreases in spending, BUT NOT in the case of the 2001 tax cuts. He supported the tax cuts because there were projected surpluses, not because the government was going to cut spending.

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he's old, he doesn't remember what he said. But I do.

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The tax cuts were actually good for the economy.. but you guys are so short-sighted you couldn't see that.. in fact you wouldn't realize a bee stung you in the rear-end until twenty minutes after the fact.

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The tax cuts were actually good for the economy..
well the Fed Chairman disagrees with you

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well the Fed Chairman disagrees with you


Bush doesn't. In fact when the great leader says something about taxes, he's always right.

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Bush doesn't.
and we all know Bush is an economics whiz...

go search yahoo or google for information on Bush's failure as a businessman.

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and we all know Bush is an economics whiz...

go search yahoo or google for information on Bush's failure as a businessman.


Type in Bush election victories.. and job growth and you will be told otherwise.

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Bush doesn't. In fact when the great leader says something about taxes, he's always right.



OMFG!!! And you wonder why people call you a fascist?

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Bush doesn't. In fact when the great leader says something about taxes, he's always right.


the great leader says gay people shouldn't marry

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What's wrong with paying off our foreign debt too quickly?

If there were a massive earthquake in Tokyo, our economy would collapse. We are one certain disaster away from economic failure. Japan would have to call in their debts in order to pay for the emergency. I don't like being held hostage to the Earth moving below Tokyo.

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Type in Bush election victories.. and job growth and you will be told otherwise.


Job growth??? Those Heritage Foundation numbers are pure bunk, Bush is the first President since Hoover to lose jobs in his first term.

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Job growth??? Those Heritage Foundation numbers are pure bunk, Bush is the first President since Hoover to lose jobs in his first term.


Excellent selective thinking... are you speaking about job growth numbers several months before the election? Because Bush actually had a net gain in his first time, bimbo.

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Why anyone ever listened to Greenspan is beyond me.

Getting a friend of Ayn Rand's to run anything guarantees fanaticism and irrationality.

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What's wrong with paying off our foreign debt too quickly?

If there were a massive earthquake in Tokyo, our economy would collapse. We are one certain disaster away from economic failure. Japan would have to call in their debts in order to pay for the emergency. I don't like being held hostage to the Earth moving below Tokyo.


Not to mention their ongoing monster problems!

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What's wrong with paying off our foreign debt too quickly?


It would be inflationary unless of course the Fed counteracted the effects with their own policy. Greenspan definitely makes political comments sometimes.

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The tax cuts were actually good for the economy


There were no tax cuts. Taxes were merely delayed until the next generations, to be paid back...with interest.

I call it the baby tax. "Welcome to Earth, baby. This is the U.S.A. It's hot in summer, cold in winter, and by the way, you owe forty thousand dollars in back taxes."

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Got spare money?

I'm sure Greenspan is still enjoying his kickbacks.

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There were no tax cuts. Taxes were merely delayed until the next generations, to be paid back...with interest.

I call it the baby tax. "Welcome to Earth, baby. This is the U.S.A. It's hot in summer, cold in winter, and by the way, you owe forty thousand dollars in back taxes."


Keep claiming that liberal.

At least I'm not the one who voted for that ****tard Antonio in the muncipal elections..

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hahaha gian cares about local politics

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