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gjramsey is offline gjramsey
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Vroom!

scented....

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I was starting to wonder if we were going to have any more crashes this race.

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I feel like I just hit the fairway with a 260 yard drive.

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I feel like I just hit the fairway with a 260 yard drive.


Then you should give me a bigger handicap, cause I'm not so good at golf.

Orders on the way.

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* vovan is confused by Tuber's move...

* vovan sets up to enter the sand alley

Orders Sent.

PS: Is the oil slick decision disputable? I think that the crash should only not produce an oil slick if it happens on top of a sand bag. If you crash on clean asphalt, there's nowhere for oil to go. Hence, IMO, there should be an oil slick from this latest crash

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Rah, clarification...shouldn't my speed be 7 since I hit teh Jonny?

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Rah, clarification...shouldn't my speed be 7 since I hit teh Jonny?


There's not a speed penalty anymore, just a max speed penalty, no?

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What's amazing is that he could be in first place after a lap and a halp (half the race) and still not know that......they don't call him Spaced for nothing .

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Ah you are correct, too tired to put in coherent order, but will in the morning.

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  Old Post 27-04-2005 07:59
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I don't understand Jonny's LR immediately one after the other. If it's to waste a move or two before a turn, i get it - but in the middle of the sand? Am I just showing my lack of knowledge here?

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A LR (or a RL) allows you to change lanes.

In this case Jonny knew where the sandbags wern't and changed lanes to avoid them.

Does that make any more sense or am I stating the obvious?

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A LR (or a RL) allows you to change lanes.

In this case Jonny knew where the sandbags wern't and changed lanes to avoid them.

Does that make any more sense or am I stating the obvious?

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No, that makes sense. I think I just didn't understand the exact mechanics of R and L.

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quote:
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* vovan is confused by Tuber's move...



Why are you confused, I changed lanes twice.

ACK!

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Why are you confused, I changed lanes twice.


The B part of your order is the one I don't understand. Before that sandtrap it would only make sense to accelerate to me.

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Just waiting on spaced.

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sorry for the delay...sent

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TURN 28



code:
******* ********* **** *** *** *** *** *** *** *** *** *** *O* **O *** *A* A=1,6 *** *** *** *** *** *** *** **** **O **** *** **** *** **** *** ==== end alley *** *xx* 16 *** *Sx* 15 ******* *SxS 14 ******* *SSx 13 ******* *xSx 12 ******* SSxS 11 ******* xSSx 10 ******* SS4S 9 ******** SxSx 8 ********* xSSS 7 ********** SxSS 6 ******* *** SSxS 5 ******* ** xSSx 4 ******* ##-speed limit SSxS 3 ******* ** 6 SSS* 2 ******* ** xSS* 1 ******* ** 75== start ******* ** ***O**** sandtrap ******* PP-pit stop ******** alley ******* ** marker **3***** finish line ======= ** *** ******* ** *** ******* ** *** ******* ** *** ******* ##-end limit **O ******* *** *** ********** 2******** ********* ********* ******** ********* ******* *** ****** *** ***** *** **** *O* **** *** **** *** *** *** *** *** *** *** *** **O O** *** *** *** *** *** **** **** ******* ***** MAX=Max speed Cust=Sway(S) or Turbo(T) or Performance (P) CAR DRIVER DIRECTION SPEED WC MAX CUST ORDERS *** ************* *** *** ** ** **** ********** 1. Spaced Cowboy N 6 1 15 turb (5M)RMMBB 2. Kassiopeia NE 9 3 17 turb R(6M)AA 3. Sparrowhawk E 9 8 12 perf A(M6)R(M2) 4. gjramsey N 10 0 15 turb AL(M8)RB 5. Tuberski NE 8 4 14 sway BRLMRMLMA 6. Jonny N 8 3 8 sway A(A+1)(m5)R(m2) 7. Vovan N 12 3 13 sway (5M)R(2M)LMLA


Spaced decides it's not in his interest to ram jonny again to avoid oil in the final lap, but jonny uses a WC and hit's Spaced. Quite surpised as the two drivers out think themselves. A great driving duel There is now oil under the A

GJ slams into 4 bags but it only slows him down to 10. But he uses his last WC, so A pit will probably be needed

Tuber, I removed your last M since you had the B there. I assume that's what you meant since one more move would make it impossible to make the turn.

Vovan makes his move on Tuber and it looks successful as he pulls along side but misses him.

Sparrow clawing back into the race, and he shouldn't have to pit so we'll see.

Kassi using the edge of the track to avoid using much needed WC that he'll need later. He's finally getting back up to speed to prep for the alley.

Still plenty of mystery left in this one.



Now accepting orders for turn 29.

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* vovan hits the gas and fountains of sand spew up from the wheels.

Orders Sent.

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* gjramsey sees a lack of wild cards causing some interesting decisions in the next few turns.

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* vovan expects ramsey to reveal the right-most lane of the sand alley.

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* Sparrowhawk sees a lot of flying sand in the next few turns

p.s. Anyone else counting sandbags and trying to figure out whether the remaining spaces are sand or clear?

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Ha-ha, that is hilarious. After i sent my orders, I thought, "I bet jonny thinks I am going to brake to match his speed. I bet the guy burns a WC to try to out think me and still hits me anyway."

Jonny, here is a clue for you.....okay no clues for you.

Spaced rubs some sand of his rearview mirror and notices the number 4 car coming up from behind real fast.

Edit: Rah, Next orders in the queue are still good.

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Yes, I was amused when I saw identical orders. If he hadn't used the wild card he could have set up for the Slip and flown through the turn that you can't do due to only 1 WC left. It will be interesting to see if he pits or not.

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IMHO, it would be silly for Jonny not to pit. I think he will come out of this turn ahead, but it is really a close call at the start / finish line. And that's with speed 10. With speed 8, I don't think he can make it around one more time and still keep ahead of Spaced. On the other hand, if he keeps up at the pit exit (I am assuming Spaced will pit for some WCs), I think he can definitely win this one by flying through those nasty hairpins and avoiding the oil slicks more easily.

And what if Spaced doesn't pit? Well, he'll have to slow down to a crawl at those turns and I think Jonny will be able to catch up to him.

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In his shoes at 10 I wouldn't pit
at 9, I'd think about it.
at 8, pit.

But it is interesting that the one lurker 8 turns ago declared Jonny the easy winner, and Spaced has caught up with still more than a lap to go. This one has been a good test of powers. I did think the performance package would be closer to the lead, but I don't think Sparrow used enough wildcards. We'll see what happens when he starts to burn them. I assume he won't pit.

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Well, I don't know if the numbers would confirm this, and I am too lazy to count right now, but it seems to me like if we consider the other power options and look how much they used their power and WC combined, it would be actually more than Sparrow could afford. Maybe it would make sense to also give performance package more WCs at the pits? Like not every 3 below 10, but say every 2? Then, he'd be more willing to burn his WCs during a lap. Then again, maybe I'm wrong about this and it's just Sparrow being too conservative with the WCs.

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In his shoes at 10 I wouldn't pit
at 9, I'd think about it.
at 8, pit.

But it is interesting that the one lurker 8 turns ago declared Jonny the easy winner, and Spaced has caught up with still more than a lap to go. This one has been a good test of powers. I did think the performance package would be closer to the lead, but I don't think Sparrow used enough wildcards. We'll see what happens when he starts to burn them. I assume he won't pit.


One lurker

I still think he'll win easily - he has the wonderful choice between pitting and not pitting, and both could lead to him winning easily; Spaced is still running out of WCs each time, while Jonny uses none unless he feels like going a bit faster (ie at the end). The oils will help Jonny too - if it was an intentional try at a ram, it was very smart imo. Spaced will have a tough time getting in the right position for this curve next time around. Assuming Jonny pits, he can lower his speed to just 5 or so and regain enough max speed for it not to matter. I'm still not convinced he has to pit, although this second accident makes it more likely.

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