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LAHORE, Pakistan (CNN) -- Tens of thousands of people from all religious parties have staged a rally in Karachi against Pakistan's president, Gen. Pervez Musharraf, declaring him unacceptable because of his pro-American policies.

During Sunday's rally, Muthaida Majlis-e-Amal (MMA), an alliance of Islamic parties, called for a nationwide general strike on April 2 to protest rising unemployment and inflation, the promotion of secularism and the exclusion of religious affiliations on passports.

Former Prime Minister Nawaz Sharif, head of the Pakistan-Muslim League, announced he would support the strike.

Qazi Hussain Ahmed, president of the Islamic parties' alliance, told demonstrators the march marks the beginning of the opposition's campaign to oust Musharraf, who seized power in a bloodless military coup in 1999.

"The illegal government of General Musharraf will end shortly and we will not accept another American tout now as Musharraf's replacement," he said.

Musharraf has been a strong supporter of the United States in its war on terrorism. During a visit to Pakistan last week, U.S. Secretary of State Condoleezza Rice lauded Pakistan for its role, and for helping promote stability in neighboring Afghanistan. Al Qaeda leader Osama bin Laden is believed to be hiding along the border with Afghanistan.

Rice, who met Musharraf and Prime Minister Shaukat Aziz on Wednesday, called Thursday on Pakistan to continue down "a democratic path" that will lead to free and fair elections in 2007, but also praised Musharraf's courage.

Among those who attended Sunday'sopposition march were former cricket champion and leader of the Tehrik-e-Insaaf, Imran Khan. The group is one of the country's main political parties.

"Musharraf is playing into the hands of America and destroying the Islamic Identity of Pakistan," said Maulana Fazlur-Rahman, leader of the opposition in the National Assembly.

"We will continue the struggle against President Musharraf until he is ousted from power," he said.

He said Musharraf would face consequences if he were to hand over to any other country the man deemed responsible for passing nuclear secrets to other nations, A. Q. Khan.

Khan is considered a national hero in Pakistan for his role in making the country a nuclear power.

Some U.S. leaders have called for Khan to be extradited so that officials can learn what countries have obtained the nuclear secrets.

Fazlur-Rahman also warned the United States not to interfere in Pakistani internal issues.

Many in the crowd carried banners inveighing against the United States and Musharraf. "Musharraf motto is to kill the people, rob the people and lick the boots of Americans," said one sign.

Alliance representatives said they would hold rallies against Musharraf during the coming weeks.



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Sounds like Bush is about to lose an ally. I wonder what he'll do when a nuclear power decides to vote in an Islamist Party. How's that for Democracy, eh?

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Former Prime Minister Nawaz Sharif, head of the Pakistan-Muslim League, announced he would support the strike.


I wonder if Ramo will come into this thread and tell me as he did in the past that Sharif was not headed toward the fundamentalists?

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I'm not sure what your point is. Politics make all kinds of bedfellows. Hell, Musharraf has had parliamentary alliances with the Islamist parties against the secular democratic opposition. Secular-Islamist alliances are common in the Islamic world.

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The fact is that Sharif would have handed the country to the fundamentalists when Musharraf took over, and if Sharif actually did off Musharraf (as he almost did on a number of occassions, like preventing Musharraf's plane from landing until they had to an emergency landing because of lack of fuel), we'd have a Taliban like government in charge of nukes.

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A protests of a few tens of thousands isn;t going to bring down a regime in a country of 120 Million plus.

Besides, haven;t there been even bigger protests against him?

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Musharraf is a particularly nasty piece of work, just that he is friends with the west. But looking at this, ooops

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BARBARA STARR, CNN PENTAGON CORRESPONDENT (voice-over): India and Pakistan, bitter military rivals, both now want to fight fighter aircraft. If they select the F-16, it could mean thousands of jobs and billions of dollars for Lockheed Martin and the American aerospace industry.

The U.S. had banned weapon sales to both India and Pakistan because both tested nuclear weapons. But now, senior Bush administration officials say the White House is actively considering rewarding these vital allies on the war on terror. Still, on her recent trip to the region, Secretary of State Condoleezza Rice was publicly cautious.

CONDOLEEZZA RICE, SECRETARY OF STATE: The question of arm sales, including F-16s, has come up. As I've said, we are going to continue to have broad discussions about the security needs, about the defense needs.

STARR: India wants to buy 125 aircraft, an $8 to $10 billion dollar deal with several international contenders. Russia's MiG-29, Sweden's Gripen, and France's Mirage are all in the running.

As a result, Pakistan is renewing its longstanding request to buy at least two dozen F-16s. But to ensure regional stability, analysts say no U.S. aircraft would be sold with the capability to carry nuclear bombs.

JOEL JOHNSON, AEROSPACE INDUSTRIES ASSOCIATION: We'll wind up doing a lot of training, we'll wind up probably have been people in place on both sides. It may increase our ability to be a mediator. You're faced with the usual dilemma of, would you rather have the U.S. military in the middle, or would you rather have the French or the Swedes or the Russians?

STARR (on camera): If Lockheed Martin does not win this order, its F-16 production line could begin shutting down as early as this October. If it does win, keeping the industrial base together could help hold down the cost of future military aircraft.

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I didn't want to start another thread on Pakistan, so let's just discuss this in here...

It seems as if Terry Schiavo might be a bit of a distraction. Selling arms to enemies locked in a nuclear standoff might not be the best idea, but there will be no public debate about selling F-16's to India AND Pakistan.

So, comments?

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I find it hilarious that the issue is raised now, when you know the US opposes the EU's possible lift of a weapon's embargo over China. For stability reasons, of course

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So Sava wants Islamic fundimentalists to win?

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Wild mobs of banner waving people everywhere...

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AFAIK, I thought I made it clear that this would be bad. Musharaf should be replaced if there is to be Democracy in the MidEast. I question the Neo-con vision of a democratic MidEast.

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I find it hilarious that the issue is raised now, when you know the US opposes the EU's possible lift of a weapon's embargo over China. For stability reasons, of course


The US opposition is based upon China being a portential enemy over the Taiwan issue. India & Pakistan aren't likely to come into direct conflict with the US so we don't care.

Also can someone please link to a story showing that India buys American warplanes? It is my understanding that India has always been a Soviet client.

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The US opposition is based upon China being a portential enemy over the Taiwan issue.

Obviously, but it's not the rhetorics currently in use. I know all of this is realpolitik, but it's always funny when the wedge between rhetorics and reality become obvious.

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