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Germany lowering corporate tax rate to 20%?! That would be terrific for new investment into this country.
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Oerdin
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of Internet Music.
Sep 2001
time: 21:22
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I'm with you and Brussels on this one. Europe is losing jobs like never before and unemployement just keeps going up so something new is required not the same old failed socialist policies. Cutting costs and reducing regulation in order to compete in the global economy is the only anwser yet these people want to bury their heads in the sand while pretending everything is OK. Did that approach work for the Soviets? Europe has big problems (though luckily not as large as the Soviets) and it will be better to act now then to suffer through 10 more years of economic stagnation and job loses.
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el freako
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Bristol, European Union
Oct 1999
time: 05:22
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Originally posted by Oerdin
I'm with you and Brussels on this one. Europe is losing jobs like never before and unemployement just keeps going up so something new is required not the same old failed socialist policies. |
Actually Europe has been reforming since the mid 1990's and has been gaining employment at the fastest rate in 40 years - unemployment EU-wide is 8%, well down on the 10.5% peak of the last recession (and it appears to have peaked, although thanks to a fast-rising workforce it's falling very slowly)
Not that i'm saying more should not be done to free up markets (especially labour markets) in the EU, but the progress so far has been dramatic.
A good indicator of demand for labour is the total amount of hours worked:
average annual growth in total hours worked:
1950-60:
USA: +0.9%
EU15: +0.6%
Japan: +2.8%
1960-73:
USA: +1.7%
EU15: -0.4%
Japan: +1.2%
1973-83:
USA: +1.1%
EU15: -0.8%
Japan: +0.7%
1983-93:
USA: +1.8%
EU15: -0.1%
Japan: +0.4%
1993-03:
USA: +1.2%
EU15: +0.6%
Japan: -0.7%
So, as you can see, europe is enjoying the first sustained rise in total hours worked since the 1950's and whereas the gap between europe and america was consistantly 2% a year between 1960 and 1995 (when the rise in european hours started), since then the gap has been negligable (0.2% a year during 1995-2003)
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Pekka
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em seu burro dos pais!
Feb 2002
time: 07:22
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 hippies of the europe gather together,... must of been one horrible smell of BO!
Spiffor, and what do you mean social before national. We need to sort out NATIONAL PROBLEMS AND QUESTIONS FIRST. Then we can worry about social problems and other questions. NOT working them out only suits the echelon of power in the EU, that is the big countries. Well not even all of them. But we need to sort out all the questions first.
Listen, the national borders aren't going to vanish, even if you want them to, even if you scream it's a state of mind. Step outside of the laalaaland and visit the places that really don't give a **** about this HEGEMONY.
That's another thing. US Hegemony = Bad! EU Hegemony = GOOD! Not participating in the EU Hegemony = Anti-European. If I miss the train, I never get to be in the grassroots of EUrope?
This is nothing but racist. You don't even see the racism behind this, because you're the man now. YOu have become 'them'. You should start praying a lot and maybe devil will let you go.
And these hippies screaming about let's get better welfare, let's not lower taxes, should take a ****ing economics class or read the news once in a while. Their only economical experience includes once reading how the weed shirt was made and the different stages and costs of that from the internet. These people are becoming dangerous. Utopia chasers, but it's on everyone elses cost now. It's not just day dreaming, making a better world. It's deepthroating the devil already, and our buttholes are getting a bit sore already.
If these ****ing idiots are going to cause a single day of delay in our corporate tax drops, one of them will DIE in my hands.
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Spiffor
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CPA - Evil Clone brigade
Nov 2001
time: 06:22
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Originally posted by Pekka
Spiffor, and what do you mean social before national. We need to sort out NATIONAL PROBLEMS AND QUESTIONS FIRST. Then we can worry about social problems and other questions. NOT working them out only suits the echelon of power in the EU, that is the big countries. Well not even all of them. But we need to sort out all the questions first. |
The very reason why the EU countries are progressively dismantling their social policies (be they welfare, good wages, or good working conditions) is because we continue to compete against each other, instead of cooperating against each other. The only way to keep our high standards is to harmonize our economic and social policies.
If we don't do this, the companies will continue to move back and forth between the country that makes the worst dumping, wihtout necessarily creating anything in the matter. When Schröder lowers the corporate tax, it doesn't encourage anybody to create wealth. He encourages investors to remove their activity abroad and come to Germany. If you look at the big picture (the well-being of all Europeans), the overall decrease of corporate taxes won't stimulate growth, but will lower the quality of our public services, and raise the taxes on people likeyou and me.
That's precisely why we shouldn't compete with each other to become the cheapest ***** of Europe. At the opposite, we should harmonize our economic policies so that we can all maintain high standards.
There are two real problems that prevent us to do so: on the one hand, there's the ideology that competition is inherently good. On the other hand, there's the national sovereignty. Nations are something very important in the EU, in that they can defend cultures, lifestyles, specificities, and they are best able to decide on local policies. Unfortunately, the nationalists obsess about the borders, and they look on the interests of the "here and now" and refuse to see the broader picture. And the economic interests of Europe as a whole is extremely important for the interests of each nation. By refusing the harmonization of economic policies, the nationalists shoot their own country in the foot 
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Listen, the national borders aren't going to vanish, even if you want them to, even if you scream it's a state of mind. Step outside of the laalaaland and visit the places that really don't give a **** about this |
I know there are plenty of places that don't care about the EU. Which is sad, considering that the EU causes about 70% of national lawmaking, and that a huge portion of these 70% sucks utterly, and should be changed. If the people cared more about the EU, the EU would be a much less crappy organization.
This is why this Brussels' protest is a good thing. Because it's made of people who rise above borders to take the matters in their own hands. If they stayed at the national level, the Eurocrats would happily continue to steal power
Care to tell me how you define hegemony? I have trouble connecting it to the rest of the post.
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you're the man now. |
That's false: I am among the most disenfranchised voters of Europe. I am a French Commie, and as such, I'll never have any say in my government's policies, because my party won't get the majority anytime soon. Considering that my government doesn't take ideological variety into account when it negociates something in the EU (only the ideology of the dominant party), I have absolutely no say in France's European policies. Besides, I'm Parisian, and as such I'm among the most underrepresented Europeans of the Parliament.
Since my political power is nil when it comes to the government, and the weakest when it comes to the Parliament, I don't see myself as "the man" at all, thank you very much.
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YOu have become 'them'. You should start praying a lot and maybe devil will let you go. |
Who is "them"?
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And these hippies screaming about let's get better welfare, let's not lower taxes, should take a ****ing economics class or read the news once in a while. Their only economical experience includes once reading how the weed shirt was made and the different stages and costs of that from the internet. |
These people have far more real-life experience than you (considering they're most often 40somethings who actually worked for previous decades), and the union leaders have a strong economic knowledge. However, economic knowledge doesn't equate the belief in BS like "lower corporate taxes are always good" and other things like that.
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If these ****ing idiots are going to cause a single day of delay in our corporate tax drops, one of them will DIE in my hands. |
Good to see your deveotion to the shareholder 
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