23-03-2005 21:27									#31
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And moreover, in a language written without vowels, they're much more common, as some of the sources have mentioned.

We are keeping an open mind and hearing the arguments, however we have shown a lot of sources refuting it in what I'd consider a pretty conclusive way.

	23-03-2005 21:36									#32
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quote: Originally posted by Docfeelgood You may get a few with Moby Dick and War and Peace but the Bible has thousand on thousands.

You didn't read the articles. There weren't just a "few" in these tomes.

I notice you haven't bothered to address any of the refutations in the links I provided. Where's your intellect here?

quote: Don't be so quick to close your eyes to something that may be real.

Provide some evidence that hasn't already been refuted. You have only just waved away contrary evidence without any justification and made unsupported claims that the code is "proven."

Having open eyes doesn't mean being gullible. That's just being foolish.

quote: I don't understand how some of you can be so quick to dissmiss without even checking to see if it is real??????? You call yourselves intellects???

What's intellectual about gullibly swallowing the Bible Code claptrap?

	23-03-2005 21:38									#33
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quote: Originally posted by Docfeelgood Unlike some I try not to make up my mind till I have heard all the arguments.

You liar:

quote: With the proof that has been shown proves it to be real;Does this also prove the existance of GOD?

You stated quite clearly you've made up your mind about it being real. And you haven't considered any of the arguments presented against it--you just dismiss them out of hand, without providing any of your own evidence.

Has Mr. Nice Guy hacked your account?

	23-03-2005 21:48									#34
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quote: Originally posted by Docfeelgood If you do not know the proof.... this only shows you have not done your reasearch. Do your homework then come talk to me about it.

The burden of proof is on you. If you fail to provide proof, your assertions are little more than pure bullshit.

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quote: Originally posted by Docfeelgood You may get a few with Moby Dick and War and Peace but the Bible has thousand on thousands. It was the statistical odds and the cities test that had me hooked.

If all you look for is "meaningful" messages, such as "George W. Bush is a dirty liar," the bible doesn't stand out statistically. If you look for a certain group of messages, the situation could change. However, there are many problems with this:

1. These messages are subject to interpretation. For example, "Joe is dead" means nothing now, but if a famous Joe were to be killed tomorrow, suddenly this message would become prophetic, at least to some.

2. How do you determine the group of messages you accept? This is so easy to manipulate as to render all such tests meaningless. Say, if somebody finds the message "Drosan is a faker" in the bible, would he include it in his book? Of course not.

3. A message is not meaningful to a person unless it is somehow linked to him, either through personal experience or knowledge acquired in some way. Thus, the message "There is no Cosmological Constant" is not meaningful to anybody who doesn't know what the Cosmological Constant is.

4. A prophecy is not, until after the event, when somebody goes forward to look for something to interpret in the bible. Had anybody find a prophecy in it before the South Asian Tsunami struck last year? Not one.

quote: Originally posted by Docfeelgood Don't be so quick to close your eyes to something that may be real.

It is real to the extent that a person can find any number of hidden messages in any suitably large tome using the "equ-distance letter" method.

It is not real that the torah is better, even in the Hebrew original.

	24-03-2005 08:17									#36
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quote: Originally posted by Docfeelgood Now this is very,very intresting. With the proof that has been shown proves it to be real;Does this also prove the existance of GOD?

Yes, why of course! Especially when the code application can be used on Moby Dick with similar results.




I skipped over most of the posts, so I'm not sure if you were being sarcastic or not. I'm assuming you were.

	24-03-2005 23:58									#37
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****!!!!!

rubbed you guys the wrong way....didn,t mean to

	25-03-2005 00:07									#38
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quote: Originally posted by Docfeelgood ****!!!!! rubbed you guys the wrong way....didn,t mean to

So it is not real?

What a relief

	25-03-2005 01:12									#39
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quote: Originally posted by Docfeelgood Oh come on...someone has to keep an open mind.

The problem is, you keep your mind so open your brain fell out.

It's not that we aren't open to new ideas. It's that we studied this thing years ago, and we already know it's FoS.

	25-03-2005 01:47									#40
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I tend to think the Bible Code thing is superstition, although I do believe the Scriptures have infinite meaning, meaning that there will always be more to learn from them, including gaining new meaning when you read them in the original language or even an inspired translation into a third party language. You cannot find every supposed hidden message before everything happens, and even if you could, you would also find plenty that are untrue and contradictory. The devil can twist scripture to his own purposes. He that is the most sure of himself alone can easily be wrong. The burden of proof is on the doubter. I could prophesy that the sun will rise tomorrow.

	25-03-2005 01:49									#41
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quote: Originally posted by Brent The burden of proof is on the doubter.

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quote: Originally posted by Brent The burden of proof is on the doubter.

So it's not up to those that claim unicorns exist to prove it, it's for those who do not believe in them to prove they don't exist?

	25-03-2005 07:20									#43
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You may always consider anything proven to yourself. Unicorns do exist, but they are nothing like horned horses. For all I know, the unicorns of fantasy may exist elsewhere in the universe, but I do not believe they have ever existed on Earth. How many people now living claim the unicorns of fantasy exist? One could expect there to be fossils of unicorns, but not of God. But then, I am no expert on the unicorns of fantasy, are they supposed to be immortal? If something must be proven, it does not need to be proven right now. Are those lights on the television proof that George Bush exists? Can you prove that stars are similar in all galaxies of the same age?

	25-03-2005 07:28									#44
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Resorting to uncertainty principle in the hope of finding positive proof

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quote: Originally posted by Brent You may always consider anything proven to yourself.

You have a very strange definition of "proof." It is so stange, in fact, that it means the same thing as "assertion" for you.

quote: Originally posted by Brent Unicorns do exist, but they are nothing like horned horses. For all I know, the unicorns of fantasy may exist elsewhere in the universe, but I do not believe they have ever existed on Earth.

1. Unicorns are supposed to look like horned horses. If you don't like it, tough.

2. Contradiction. First you asserted that "unicorns" exist, then you asserted that they just might

quote: Originally posted by Brent How many people now living claim the unicorns of fantasy exist?

Who knows. There are those who believe in a Flat Earth.

quote: Originally posted by Brent One could expect there to be fossils of unicorns

I am not sure if you are confused, are trying to confuse

quote: Originally posted by Brent but not of God.

I am not sure if you are confused, are trying to confuse

quote: Originally posted by Brent But then, I am no expert on the unicorns of fantasy

All right, so why did you make these assertions?

quote: Unicorns do exist, but they are nothing like horned horses. For all I know, the unicorns of fantasy may exist elsewhere in the universe, but I do not believe they have ever existed on Earth.

quote: Originally posted by Brent If something must be proven, it does not need to be proven right now.

Not proven = mere assertion

quote: Originally posted by Brent Are those lights on the television proof that George Bush exists? Can you prove that stars are similar in all galaxies of the same age?

Random gibberish doesn't help you make your case.

	26-03-2005 21:16									#46
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The word Unicorn originally meant some sort of ox or something.

Define proof? How do you judge who something has to be proven to?

	26-03-2005 21:49									#47
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quote: Originally posted by Brent Define proof? How do you judge who something has to be proven to?

There is a standard of proof that has to be met, and also standards on who has to meet it.

	27-03-2005 08:01									#48
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quote: Originally posted by Brent Define proof? How do you judge who something has to be proven to?

A proof is a series of steps following certain rules to show what you want to prove is indeed true. As che said, there are widely accepted methods of doing so.

The people you want to show the proof to are the other side, or failing that, at least the audience.

	27-03-2005 10:02									#49
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You know, last night I came home from a week's vacation, turned on the tv, and the first thing I saw was a program about Bible codes. Really.

Then today I open up 'Poly for the first time in a week, and one of the first threads I see is one about Bible codes.

And it's Easter Sunday (at least here in Manila).

Coincidence? Or proof that God exists? Or, proof that God not only exists but also has an unhealthy preoccupation with my media consumption?

Doubters, prove its not so!

	27-03-2005 10:13									#50
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uh, was this a cable channel or something also seen in the United States? Maybe more than one person watched something similar because it's about that time of year or was otherwise influenced by the time of year? Then again, all is part of one grand plan...