22-03-2005 08:26									#31
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nope.

the only D&D licensed game since then sucked (from what I heard and the reviews)

	22-03-2005 08:29									#32
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Actually I lied. It was Baldur's Gate 2 that I bought not NWN.

	22-03-2005 08:36									#33
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I wish I was a college sophomore with time to burn on my hands. It was the bomb to get lost in a good game.

	22-03-2005 08:40									#34
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Games are pretty lame now.

I still play Tropico... mainly to torment, repress and execute the citizens.

	22-03-2005 09:05									#35
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dreaming of a future cpa govt all the while.....

	22-03-2005 09:44									#36
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Well, I make a habit of killing old people. It's easier for soldiers to catch them as they walk a lot slower than regular people. Plus they are a drain on the economy.

Anyway, since the people have various newspapers, radio stations and tv stations all blaring the virtues of their great leader, they are too busy listening to revolt.

	22-03-2005 10:19									#37
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typical brit

	22-03-2005 11:30									#38
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quote: Originally posted by Oerdin Actually I lied. It was Baldur's Gate 2 that I bought not NWN.

I thought it was weird for somebody to play NWN SP obsessively through to the end. The original SP campaign is trash, although the two expansions are very good. I recently bought NWN Platinum Edition (after playing through the original campaign twice and the two expansions once each on pirated copies), and I've mostly been playing Multiplayer. It's really a lot of fun, there are a couple of SE posters who play on the same world I do (Avlis). I know Goob is going to be getting NWN, and Hiram, Cro, oz, and Dralix all have it. We might get a multiplayer run-through of the single-player campaign going (although we haven't talked about it much yet), you should join us.

SP

	22-03-2005 11:31									#39
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quote: Originally posted by Ted Striker I wish I was a college sophomore with time to burn on my hands. It was the bomb to get lost in a good game.

Amen. I used to work in a computer lab during my college years - basically I just sat there and helped morons with problems they could have solved on their own if they only took 5 minutes to try (for instance, how to bold words) Anyway it was a heaven especially in summer when there are not many people around and those who are there are mostly new people (it's a small university, everybody knows everybody else) so they often leave me alone and vice versa. Got a lot of mudding time in that way

	22-03-2005 11:47									#40
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I loved the old NES games- SMB3, best GAME EVER, Iron Tank, and the DRagon Warrior Series. Man, i remember using up hours on that game- I still remember the tunes...

	22-03-2005 11:52									#41
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Oblivion, the Morrowind sequel, will be smaller and more action-y.

Also, only bows are now available as missile weapons.

So, as inane as morrowinds missile combat was, say goodbye to those chitin shuriken, Nordic throwing axes, javelins, throwing daggers, crossbows, etc.

	22-03-2005 11:53									#42
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By the way, I have the same problem, Oerdin. Personally I blame the fact that I actually have responsibilities which nags at me while I'm playing games ruining the fun.

	22-03-2005 11:57									#43
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Even if they completely dumb Oblivion's gameplay down to a level understandable by console gamers, it's still going to rock. They say they're making the missile combat awesome instead of varied, which sounds good (if they pull it off). Although I'll miss flying up to the tops of towers and tossing knives at my enemies like a ninja.

SP

	22-03-2005 11:58									#44
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quote: Originally posted by Seeker Oblivion, the Morrowind sequel, will be smaller and more action-y. Also, only bows are now available as missile weapons. So, as inane as morrowinds missile combat was, say goodbye to those chitin shuriken, Nordic throwing axes, javelins, throwing daggers, crossbows, etc.

I never used any missile weapons in Morrowind (except when I first started). I suck at aiming. One reason I'm not that good at shooter games. Despite this shortfalling of the game, I still liked it (eventually)

	22-03-2005 12:01									#45
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You didn't have to aim in Morrowind; whether or not you hit was random. But you'll have to aim in Oblivion.

SP

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	22-03-2005 12:28									#46
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quote: Originally posted by Fve Crathva I recently bought NWN Platinum Edition (after playing through the original campaign twice and the two expansions once each on pirated copies), and I've mostly been playing Multiplayer. It's really a lot of fun

I also enjoyed NWN Multiplayer. I did all 3 campaigns together with my brother. We also played some of the high-ranked modules that are free downloads and some of those were great too. However, I lose interest in playing any game by myself fast.

My brother seems to be losing interest in games now & as a result I hardly play now too. I could try online/email MP games, but it's not the same as when someone is in the same room as you... like when my shapeshifter shifts into a monster another player hasn't seen before & they say, "IS THAT YOU?!" Seeing that typed isn't the same as hearing it.

	22-03-2005 12:39									#47
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quote: Originally posted by Barinthus By the way, I have the same problem, Oerdin. Personally I blame the fact that I actually have responsibilities which nags at me while I'm playing games ruining the fun.

	22-03-2005 15:15									#48
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I'm an old school (Avalon Hill, SPI, TSR, GDW) gamer. Back in the day a lack of someone to play with / against was the main problem. The computer solved that problem in large part, while creating some new ones. Namely AI has always been a problem. As the machines became better games became more complicated, often more complicated or as complicated as the RPGs, Board Games and Miniatures Rules they replaced. The result was that the AI hasn't been able to keep up with the complexity of the games. As exhibit A I give you SMAC, HOI, etc. ad nauseum. Marginal increases in complexity become exponential increases in AI stupidity. Has any game managed to produce decent combined arms or amphibious warfare algorithms for the AI for instance?

So one of the biggest problems for me is the AI. If a game is complicated enough to be interesting and immersive for me it is likely to have glaringly terrible AI. Which leaves only multiplayer as an option for any sort of challenging experience. Which brings me full circle to my original problem from my board wargaming days, which is connecting to people who are worth playing with. Well actually these days that's a lot easier, now it's being able to meet my obligations as an opponent while still meeting my more important obligations to my family etc. That trade off has forced me to quit several long term PBEM RPGs as well as refusing to play any MP games, despite an interest.

So the only game in town for me remains solitaire play. But I'm so spoiled by complex games that I tend to be playing in essentially sand box mode against an underpowered AI, which is great fun for a while, but...

Adding to my growing disdain for gaming is the fact that very few strategy games are being produced these days. In this category I include RTS type games like EU2, while excluding clickfest type games like Command and Conquer etc. I enjoy RPGs as well, but they are like dessert and don't completely satisfy me like grand strategy / economics do. I have no use for FPS games. They are more fun to watch than to play, and in any event I've only been able to play any of them for a very short period before I get bored and want to play something which makes me think and lets me go to the bathroom when I want.

	22-03-2005 16:15									#49
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The last RPG like game I got into was Diablo II. I honeslty thought that was an amazing game. I actually went back and played the whole thing back through on those long boring hours during deployment last summer.

	22-03-2005 18:40									#50
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I still play Master of Magic

	22-03-2005 18:50									#51
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quote: Originally posted by pchang I still play Master of Magic

I've got two machines that will still run it, but haven't played since last year.

	23-03-2005 04:26									#52
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quote: Originally posted by Oerdin The last role playing type (though its more hack & slash then role playing) was NWN and I did play that one obsessively until the end. It had no replay value though. I understand they've released a bunch of add ons for it but they just don't seem worth it to me. Have they released a new D&D game like NWN but on a newer engine with better graphics?

I have never even plaed the campaigns that came with it...

JM

	23-03-2005 04:34									#53
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two thoughts


1. Stop gaming for awhile - this has two advantages - one it gives you time for the many other wonderful things there are to do in the world. Second, when you go back to gaming, there will be plenty of great games for you, and theyll all be reviewed, patched, and priced as bargains.

I was a board wargamer as youngster - i suppose i might have gotten bored eventually, if i had time and money enough for all the games id wanted. I essentially left gaming from age 23 till age 37 or so, except for trivial pursuit (oh to be yuppie again ) and occasional Chess. When i came back gaming was cool, with a backlog of titles to try. Right now Im having fun with EU2. I see no shortage of titles, even limiting it only to TBS and related strat, commercial games only.

2. if you want to keep gaming, but are bored with commercial titles, why not try small indies, shareware and freeware projects, etc? I dont bother cause ive got enough now, but those kinds of projects need support.

	23-03-2005 04:55									#54
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Regarding an updated version of NWN, Obsidian Entertainment is working on Neverwinter Nights 2. Their website says it's due in 2006, but they don't give any other information. Which is probably a good sign, considering how tightly scheduled KOTOR 2 was.

In the opposite direction, The Witcher is a game that will use the NWN engine but for a totally different story.

SP

	23-03-2005 05:58									#55
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quote: Originally posted by lord of the mark two thoughts 1. Stop gaming for awhile - this has two advantages - one it gives you time for the many other wonderful things there are to do in the world. Second, when you go back to gaming, there will be plenty of great games for you, and theyll all be reviewed, patched, and priced as bargains. I was a board wargamer as youngster - i suppose i might have gotten bored eventually, if i had time and money enough for all the games id wanted. I essentially left gaming from age 23 till age 37 or so, except for trivial pursuit (oh to be yuppie again ) and occasional Chess. When i came back gaming was cool, with a backlog of titles to try. Right now Im having fun with EU2. I see no shortage of titles, even limiting it only to TBS and related strat, commercial games only. 2. if you want to keep gaming, but are bored with commercial titles, why not try small indies, shareware and freeware projects, etc? I dont bother cause ive got enough now, but those kinds of projects need support.

LOL, that's a long break. I take breaks for gaming, but they really don't last more than a few weeks or maybe a month or two.

	23-03-2005 05:59									#56
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I take breaks from gaming... but then I return from the bathroom.

	23-03-2005 07:06									#57
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quote: Originally posted by Patroklos The last RPG like game I got into was Diablo II. I honeslty thought that was an amazing game. I actually went back and played the whole thing back through on those long boring hours during deployment last summer.

Diablo2 is an awesome game . I haven't tried any action/RPG that is better (although Restricted Area would have been a strong contender, if it had been higher-profile).

So far, Diablo2 is superoir to whatever else I tried

	23-03-2005 07:11									#58
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quote: Originally posted by Oerdin The last role playing type (though its more hack & slash then role playing) was NWN and I did play that one obsessively until the end. It had no replay value though. I understand they've released a bunch of add ons for it but they just don't seem worth it to me.

Well, you're wrong .
The second add-on is far better than the vanilla. The scenario is way more interesting, the game offers more variety and moddability. I suppose they sell it cheap these days. Don't hesitate to buy the add-on (Hordes of the Underdark), because it completely renews the interest of the game.

The first add-on (shadow of Undrentide) is quite disappointing though, so you should only buy it if you find a real bargain.

	23-03-2005 07:33									#59
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quote: Originally posted by Kassiopeia Maybe that's because you were young, not because games were glorious back then and have started to suck later on?

Not necessarily suck per se, but certainly MOTS (more of the same). There aren't any innovate games anymore. Where are the modern equivalent of M.U.L.E., UFO: Enemy Unknown, Railroad Tycoon, Carwars 2000, Romance of the Three Kingdom, Civilization, and Master of Orion?

I don't mean remakes, mind you, just games that are innovative, refreshing, and fun to play.

	23-03-2005 07:42									#60
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Well, in the past decade, Creatures (followed by The Sims) and MMORPGs were definite new genres. Just like Counter Strike, which really started cooperative action gaming.

At least three genres appeared in the mainstream industry in only a few years. It's really not that bad.