22-03-2005 17:49									#1
	Resource Preservation in the Late Game Support Apolyton, buy GURPS/ Alpha Centauri

This idea may always have been (1) blindingly obvious to everyone but me or (2) wrong which is why I'm posting.

In the late game, when workers are otherwise basically done with their work, should roads on resource tiles be pillaged at the end of each turn to prevent resource exhaustion?

I'm thinking particularly of cases where you have one oil or one uranium.

Does leaving the resource without a road each turn really solve the resource disappearance problem?

	22-03-2005 18:09									#2
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IMHO the disappearance of resources has nothing to do with roads or whether they are being worked. Look in the editor under resources and you'll see a disappearance ratio number. That's the chance each turn that the particular resource will "disappear" (it will actually turn up somewhere else on the map). Some, like horses, will never disappear. Others, like uranium, have a higher chance of going away.
You can edit this number if you're making a mod.

	22-03-2005 20:03									#3
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Actually, I think (and I'm sure someone will correct me if I'm wrong here) that a resource will only disappear if it's connected to a road network.

If that's the case, I guess you could pillage the road every turn to preserve it. Interesting idea. I never would have thought of it. (Of course, most of the time, by that late in the game, I have an empire large enough to pretty well ensure that a single disappearing resource doesn't hurt me.)

	22-03-2005 20:55									#4
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Resources not connected to the network will not disappear.

But the only resource I really watch out for disappearing is Iron and all I do is wait to connect it the first time until I'm about to start using it.

Later on, I'd just be very likely to declare war on someone if my only supply of resource gets relocated.

	22-03-2005 21:50									#5
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Yes, but if you are in a human game instead of an AI game, declaring war may not be an easy solution.

	22-03-2005 23:11									#6
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I thought I had tested this once, but perhaps not.
Make a new scenario, edit the disappearance ratios to be really low (2 to 10). Put it into Debug mode, start it up and watch the unconnected resources move about (or not).

	23-03-2005 04:45									#7
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I tried the test I suggested above, it appears that undiscovered or unroaded strat. resources do NOT become exhausted.
I did NOT test to see if disconnecting the road makes it ineligible (yet). I think, from a programming standpoint, that pillaging the resource tile would be the way to check. It would be much easier to program "is there a road/colony/city on the tile" compared to "is it connected to a city."

	23-03-2005 14:28									#8
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quote: Originally posted by jshelr In the late game, when workers are otherwise basically done with their work, should roads on resource tiles be pillaged at the end of each turn to prevent resource exhaustion?

From memory, by the time the late game comes around and I yell "hurrah, I don't have to MicroManage all those Workers anymore!!!", I sure as hell ain't gonna start pillaging resources and re-railing them each turn just to prevent the RNG from taking away my Iron

	27-03-2005 09:48									#9
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In order to fix resource problems, I doubled the appearance ratios and and dissappearence ratios are zero...they never go away, and there is plenty off them...

True, it is difficult to cut opponents from resources, but then again, you're never out yourself...more or less, I have made strategic resources more like bonus resources...

	27-03-2005 17:06									#10
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quote: Originally posted by Aqualung71 I sure as hell ain't gonna start pillaging resources and re-railing them each turn just to prevent the RNG from taking away my Iron

How about your oil?

	27-03-2005 18:41									#11
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quote: Originally posted by Tall Stranger Actually, I think (and I'm sure someone will correct me if I'm wrong here) that a resource will only disappear if it's connected to a road network. If that's the case, I guess you could pillage the road every turn to preserve it. Interesting idea. I never would have thought of it. (Of course, most of the time, by that late in the game, I have an empire large enough to pretty well ensure that a single disappearing resource doesn't hurt me.)

Wouldn't matter anyway. IIRC once a source has been roaded (wether you've discovered it or not), it disapperrance flag will be tagged. Pillaging won't "unflag" it.

	27-03-2005 22:52									#12
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I don't know about you guys, but when a resource disappears in one of my games, it just reappears in the same spot.


wierd, huh?

but then again, i do only play tiny & small maps. I guess not many places a resource can pop back up again.

	28-03-2005 00:32									#13
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MP, reappearing in the same location also occurs sometimes with Large and Huge maps. Those are the only sizes I play.

	28-03-2005 02:34									#14
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quote: Originally posted by alva Wouldn't matter anyway. IIRC once a source has been roaded (wether you've discovered it or not), it disapperrance flag will be tagged. Pillaging won't "unflag" it.

Now that is the answer that i'm looking for. I don't know if I believe it yet, however.

	29-03-2005 08:31									#15
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Well, I've never tested it.
I'm pretty sure about it though, IIRC Soren mentioned it once on a chat or something.(could have been someone else too I guess).
I does make sense.

EDIT: Sorry, I meant to say "pretty sure, not "sure".

Last edited by alva on 29-03-2005 at 21:30

	29-03-2005 19:40									#16
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thanks ... you are undoubtedly correct.

	30-03-2005 02:52									#17
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quote: Originally posted by Jaybe I think, from a programming standpoint, that pillaging the resource tile would be the way to check. It would be much easier to program "is there a road/colony/city on the tile" compared to "is it connected to a city."

The algorithm for being connected to a city already exists (as shown by the F2 screen). I have no knowledge of the actual code, but using that would be the most logical way to program it IMO. Of course, if alva is right, it doesn't matter.