23-03-2005 04:52									#1
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A teenager comes into my boyfriend's work the other day.....

He says he notices us whenever we walk together in the mall.... (its not like we even dare hold hands in the South or kiss or whatever)

He tells my BF that he is going to kill me. Then he leaves.

I'm sick of this ****.

Then I read this today:

quote: Gay Man's Beating Shakes N.M. Residents By HEATHER CLARK, Associated Press Writer SANTA FE, N.M. - This postcard-pretty tourist town peppered with art galleries, trendy restaurants and turquoise jewelry shops calls itself "The City Different" in recognition of its quirkiness, diverse population and progressive politics. But ever since a 21-year-old man was beaten unconscious by a group of men allegedly yelling anti-gay slurs, some people are wondering whether the city isn't a little naive about its self-image. Amyel Oliveros, a gay 17-year-old, said he thinks twice about the route he takes home from school and worries that his plaid scarf might clue in strangers to his sexuality. "I thought for a while maybe I should act even more straight, but it wasn't me," he said. Second only to San Francisco in the percentage of same-sex households, Santa Fe, population 62,000, promotes itself as a vacation spot for gays, and a pride celebration fills the Spanish-style plaza each summer. A retirement village to open next year trumpets itself as the only such place in the nation catering mainly to gay retirees. "I thought I was in a gay haven, I mean, Santa Fe," Oliveros said. According to the 2000 Census, nearly 2 percent of all of the metropolitan area's "coupled households" — married or unmarried — are headed by same-sex couples. The Feb. 27 attack began when a group of young men confronted James Maestas and a male companion outside a restaurant where they had all just eaten. One of the alleged assailants, Gabriel Maturin, told police he became offended when one of the two put his hand on Maturin's chest. Then, outside a motel nearby, Maturin saw the two men kissing, and he and another man started pummeling Maestas, according to Maturin's account. The attackers yelled, "Faggots!" among other slurs, according to witnesses. Maestas suffered a broken nose, a concussion and lung injuries, and contracted pneumonia during his recovery at a hospital. His companion, Joshua Stockham, 24, suffered minor injuries. Maturin, 20, and five others have been charged, including a 17-year-old on probation for raping a 4-year-old boy. All have pleaded not guilty. Tom Clark, Maturin's attorney, said: "I want them tried by the court and the state, not in the court of public opinion because the court of public opinion is notoriously uninformed." Prosecutors plan to seek a hate crime enhancement on all six cases, the first time that provision — which could tack on a year to any sentence — has been sought since it became law in 2003. "The community is depressed and outraged, and there's a lot of activity as far as discussing next steps," said Rachel Rosen, a friend of the Maestas family and chairwoman of Equality New Mexico, a gay rights organization. A vigil days after the attack drew hundreds of people to the plaza. A sit-in a week later at the state Capitol sponsored by the Anti-Homophobia Action Committee drew about two dozen people. A fund to help pay Maestas' hospital bills has collected $6,500. Seeking a root cause, some have blamed anti-gay language during the current session of the Legislature, where a measure to ban gay marriage has been debated. That bill was prompted in part by a New Mexico county clerk's decision to issue marriage licenses last year to about 60 gay couples. "I can tell you that anywhere that there is anti-gay rhetoric and hate speech allowed in our schools and in the Legislature, there will be violence," Rosen said. Now out of the hospital, Maestas has remained out of public view. Friends describe him as a funny, peaceful person who doesn't know how to fight. Susanna Roberts, 17, who shared a backyard fence with him growing up in Santa Fe, visited him in the hospital. "Just because he was gay," she said, shaking her head. "It's just unbelievable."

I'm so sick of this, it depresses me, why can't people just leave gays alone, and more importantly to me, leave ME the **** alone.

I am a human being like everybody else.

	23-03-2005 04:57									#2
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I was just about to post this too. I found this the most charming bit:

quote: Maturin, 20, and five others have been charged, including a 17-year-old on probation for raping a 4-year-old boy.

That's the type they like the most in prison: Pedophiles. Sweet dreams, assh*le...

	23-03-2005 04:58									#3
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The 17 year old hated fags so much he ass raped a 4 year old?

	23-03-2005 04:58									#4
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I hope you're not looking for a logical explaination. I doubt there is one beyond some Freudian jabber.

	23-03-2005 05:07									#5
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Sometimes the rape is with objects, or is forced oral sex, depending on the way the statute is worded. Please understand that it is that kind of crime that keeps me from being opposed to the death penalty, versus my opposition to it's implementation in the US. Someone who would rape a 4 year old, if you can catch the sucker red-handed (no rational doubt vs. reaonable doubt) - I could look him in the eye and pull the lever.

Or, if it was my little girl - I'd just make sure her picture got passed around at the prison, that and some of her videos. I think the felons would take care of the punishment for me, and somebody would get too rough in the end. Figuratively and literally.

	23-03-2005 05:55									#6
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Two-to-three generations ago, this is the kind of treatment often inflicted on racial and religious minorities. We've grown past that Troglodite mindset for every minority except gays. For some reason, some people still believe it is okay to discriminate against them [or worse: attack, threaten and even kill them].

Rule One: People are people are people.
Rule Two: Always remember Rule One.

	23-03-2005 05:59									#7
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I really don't think Thorn is gay. Yes I said the same thing about Fez (he finally provided me proof), but only because I thought Fez was Thorn's DL. In fact, I still think he's Thorn's DL. In that case he is gay, because he's the same person.

This thread is just a cry for attention. I doubt this even happened.

	23-03-2005 06:00									#8
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I doubt Dissident really exists!

	23-03-2005 06:03									#9
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I..I..I just doubt.......I think.

	23-03-2005 06:04									#10
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quote: Originally posted by Dissident I really don't think Thorn is gay. Yes I said the same thing about Fez (he finally provided me proof), but only because I thought Fez was Thorn's DL. In fact, I still think he's Thorn's DL. In that case he is gay, because he's the same person. This thread is just a cry for attention. I doubt this even happened.

What proof, did he give you a blow job or something, hell no am I doing that ****!

	23-03-2005 06:09									#11
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come on big boy, you know you want it.

	23-03-2005 06:12									#12
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So, Diss, when will you host the Fez pics and link to them in your sig?

	23-03-2005 06:22									#13
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quote: Originally posted by Thorn A teenager comes into my boyfriend's work the other day..... He says he notices us whenever we walk together in the mall.... (its not like we even dare hold hands in the South or kiss or whatever) He tells my BF that he is going to kill me. Then he leaves.

Kill him.

	23-03-2005 06:24									#14
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Dissident is restricted... discuss the topics and not the posters... Who's next?

	23-03-2005 08:12									#15
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I hate the hate to, truth be known as long as you are different some wise ass is always going to make himself be known. Accept the fact that you are a much bigger person by not stooping to levels of an idiot. Its easier to be and idiot then to walk away.

	23-03-2005 08:21									#16
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Start carrying a digital camera around with you everywhere, whenever someone threatens you take thier picture (preferably without them seeing) and report them to the police.

OR

Start carrying a gun and whenever someone gets in your face just pull it out and see who's got the bigger balls.*

OR

Get pumped, people tend to leave the big guys alone.

OR

Work on your crazy eyes!

OR

all of the above.


*note Im kidding, do not do that.

	23-03-2005 08:24									#17
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Yes space lets not try to convince someone to commit murder or assault hun. Not a good idea. Jail and prison comes after that.

	23-03-2005 08:30									#18
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If everyone live and let live, there would be peace on earth. It will never happen, so becoming bitter and cynical and growing some fairly thick skin is the only way.

	23-03-2005 08:32									#19
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I like to screw alien wimmen...

	23-03-2005 08:34									#20
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ALRIGHTY THEN TMI for me

	23-03-2005 08:41									#21
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quote: If everyone live and let live, there would be peace on earth

Ah, wishful thinking.

	23-03-2005 09:05									#22
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quote: Originally posted by Space05us quote: If everyone live and let live, there would be peace on earth Ah, wishful thinking.

It could happen.

	23-03-2005 09:44									#23
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quote: Originally posted by Oerdin The 17 year old hated fags so much he ass raped a 4 year old?

Many pedophiles aren't gay (maybe more than half, I think). Its about control. The vast majority of gay men sleep with those that are legal.

	23-03-2005 10:17									#24
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quote: Two-to-three generations ago, this is the kind of treatment often inflicted on racial and religious minorities. We've grown past that Troglodite mindset for every minority except gays

Not really. Take gypsies, for example. Perfectly pc to be racist against them... 'they're all thieves, don't let them get into your shop'... 'stay away from those' and the like.

	23-03-2005 10:29									#25
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quote: Originally posted by Sava I doubt Dissident really exists!

you are all made up by some insane person pretending that there are other people on the internet except him.

	23-03-2005 10:51									#26
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I missed Dissident's post.

	23-03-2005 11:34									#27
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Seeking a root cause, some have blamed anti-gay language during the current session of the Legislature, where a measure to ban gay marriage has been debated. That bill was prompted in part by a New Mexico county clerk's decision to issue marriage licenses last year to about 60 gay couples.

"I can tell you that anywhere that there is anti-gay rhetoric and hate speech allowed in our schools and in the Legislature, there will be violence," Rosen said.


Yea, I'm sure those thugs were just coming back from a legislative committee meeting when they decided to grab a bite to eat and ran into the victims.

	23-03-2005 11:39									#28
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Where Is The Love?"

What's wrong with the world, mama
People livin' like they ain't got no mamas
I think the whole world addicted to the drama
Only attracted to things that'll bring you trauma
Overseas, yeah, we try to stop terrorism
But we still got terrorists here livin'
In the USA, the big CIA
The Bloods and The Crips and the KKK
But if you only have love for your own race
Then you only leave space to discriminate
And to discriminate only generates hate
And when you hate then you're bound to get irate, yeah
Madness is what you demonstrate
And that's exactly how anger works and operates
Man, you gotta have love just to set it straight
Take control of your mind and meditate
Let your soul gravitate to the love, y'all, y'all

People killin', people dyin'
Children hurt and you hear them cryin'
Can you practice what you preach
And would you turn the other cheek

Father, Father, Father help us
Send some guidance from above
'Cause people got me, got me questionin'
Where is the love (Love)

Where is the love (The love)
Where is the love (The love)
Where is the love
The love, the love

It just ain't the same, always unchanged
New days are strange, is the world insane
If love and peace is so strong
Why are there pieces of love that don't belong
Nations droppin' bombs
Chemical gasses fillin' lungs of little ones
With ongoin' sufferin' as the youth die young
So ask yourself is the lovin' really gone
So I could ask myself really what is goin' wrong
In this world that we livin' in people keep on givin'
in
Makin' wrong decisions, only visions of them dividends
Not respectin' each other, deny thy brother
A war is goin' on but the reason's undercover
The truth is kept secret, it's swept under the rug
If you never know truth then you never know love
Where's the love, y'all, come on (I don't know)
Where's the truth, y'all, come on (I don't know)
Where's the love, y'all

People killin', people dyin'
Children hurt and you hear them cryin'
Can you practice what you preach
And would you turn the other cheek

Father, Father, Father help us
Send some guidance from above
'Cause people got me, got me questionin'
Where is the love (Love)

Where is the love (The love)
Where is the love (The love)
Where is the love
The love, the love

I feel the weight of the world on my shoulder
As I'm gettin' older, y'all, people gets colder
Most of us only care about money makin'
Selfishness got us followin' our wrong direction
Wrong information always shown by the media
Negative images is the main criteria
Infecting the young minds faster than bacteria
Kids wanna act like what they see in the cinema
Yo', whatever happened to the values of humanity
Whatever happened to the fairness in equality
Instead in spreading love we spreading animosity
Lack of understanding, leading lives away from unity
That's the reason why sometimes I'm feelin' under
That's the reason why sometimes I'm feelin' down
There's no wonder why sometimes I'm feelin' under
Gotta keep my faith alive till love is found

Now ask yourself
Where is the love?
Where is the love?
Where is the love?
Where is the love?

People killin', people dyin'
Children hurt and you hear them cryin'
Can you practice what you preach
And would you turn the other cheek

Father, Father, Father help us
Send some guidance from above
'Cause people got me, got me questionin'
Where is the love (Love)

Where is the love (The love)
Where is the love (The love)
Where is the love (The love)

Where is the love (The love)
Where is the love (The love)
Where is the love (The love)

	23-03-2005 11:48									#29
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quote: Originally posted by Alexander's Horse Where Is The Love?" What's wrong with the world, mama People livin' like they ain't got no mamas I think the whole world addicted to the drama Only attracted to things that'll bring you trauma Overseas, yeah, we try to stop terrorism But we still got terrorists here livin' In the USA, the big CIA The Bloods and The Crips and the KKK But if you only have love for your own race Then you only leave space to discriminate And to discriminate only generates hate And when you hate then you're bound to get irate, yeah Madness is what you demonstrate And that's exactly how anger works and operates Man, you gotta have love just to set it straight Take control of your mind and meditate Let your soul gravitate to the love, y'all, y'all People killin', people dyin' Children hurt and you hear them cryin' Can you practice what you preach And would you turn the other cheek Father, Father, Father help us Send some guidance from above 'Cause people got me, got me questionin' Where is the love (Love) Where is the love (The love) Where is the love (The love) Where is the love The love, the love It just ain't the same, always unchanged New days are strange, is the world insane If love and peace is so strong Why are there pieces of love that don't belong Nations droppin' bombs Chemical gasses fillin' lungs of little ones With ongoin' sufferin' as the youth die young So ask yourself is the lovin' really gone So I could ask myself really what is goin' wrong In this world that we livin' in people keep on givin' in Makin' wrong decisions, only visions of them dividends Not respectin' each other, deny thy brother A war is goin' on but the reason's undercover The truth is kept secret, it's swept under the rug If you never know truth then you never know love Where's the love, y'all, come on (I don't know) Where's the truth, y'all, come on (I don't know) Where's the love, y'all People killin', people dyin' Children hurt and you hear them cryin' Can you practice what you preach And would you turn the other cheek Father, Father, Father help us Send some guidance from above 'Cause people got me, got me questionin' Where is the love (Love) Where is the love (The love) Where is the love (The love) Where is the love The love, the love I feel the weight of the world on my shoulder As I'm gettin' older, y'all, people gets colder Most of us only care about money makin' Selfishness got us followin' our wrong direction Wrong information always shown by the media Negative images is the main criteria Infecting the young minds faster than bacteria Kids wanna act like what they see in the cinema Yo', whatever happened to the values of humanity Whatever happened to the fairness in equality Instead in spreading love we spreading animosity Lack of understanding, leading lives away from unity That's the reason why sometimes I'm feelin' under That's the reason why sometimes I'm feelin' down There's no wonder why sometimes I'm feelin' under Gotta keep my faith alive till love is found Now ask yourself Where is the love? Where is the love? Where is the love? Where is the love? People killin', people dyin' Children hurt and you hear them cryin' Can you practice what you preach And would you turn the other cheek Father, Father, Father help us Send some guidance from above 'Cause people got me, got me questionin' Where is the love (Love) Where is the love (The love) Where is the love (The love) Where is the love (The love) Where is the love (The love) Where is the love (The love) Where is the love (The love)

Damn, if I hadn't been lazy when I first saw this thread. Damn damn damn.

	23-03-2005 11:53									#30
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DON'T HATE, CONGRATULATE!!!!