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Startling Scientists, Plant Fixes Its Flawed Gene
By NICHOLAS WADE

Published: March 23, 2005

In a startling discovery, geneticists at Purdue University say they have found plants that possess a corrected version of a defective gene inherited from both their parents, as if some handy backup copy with the right version had been made in the grandparents' generation or earlier.

The finding implies that some organisms may contain a cryptic backup copy of their genome that bypasses the usual mechanisms of heredity. If confirmed, it would represent an unprecedented exception to the laws of inheritance discovered by Gregor Mendel in the 19th century. Equally surprising, the cryptic genome appears not to be made of DNA, the standard hereditary material.

The discovery also raises interesting biological questions - including whether it gets in the way of evolution, which depends on mutations changing an organism rather than being put right by a backup system.

"It looks like a marvelous discovery," said Dr. Elliott Meyerowitz, a plant geneticist at the California Institute of Technology. Dr. David Haig, an evolutionary biologist at Harvard, described the finding as "a really strange and unexpected result," which would be important if the observation holds up and applies widely in nature.

The result, reported online yesterday in the journal Nature by Dr. Robert E. Pruitt, Dr. Susan J. Lolle and colleagues at Purdue, has been found in a single species, the mustardlike plant called arabidopsis that is the standard laboratory organism of plant geneticists. But there are hints that the same mechanism may occur in people, according to a commentary by Dr. Detlef Weigel of the Max-Planck Institute for Developmental Biology in Tübingen, Germany. Dr. Weigel describes the Purdue work as "a spectacular discovery."

The finding grew out of a research project started three years ago in which Dr. Pruitt and Dr. Lolle were trying to understand the genes that control the plant's outer skin, or cuticle. As part of the project, they were studying plants with a mutated gene that made the plant's petals and other floral organs clump together. Because each of the plant's two copies of the gene were in mutated form, they had virtually no chance of having normal offspring.

But up to 10 percent of the plants' offspring kept reverting to normal. Various rare events can make this happen, but none involve altering the actual sequence of DNA units in the gene. Yet when the researchers analyzed the mutated gene, known as hothead, they found it had changed, with the mutated DNA units being changed back to normal form.

"That was the moment when it was a complete shock," Dr. Pruitt said.

A mutated gene can be put right by various mechanisms that are already known, but all require a correct copy of the gene to be available to serve as the template. The Purdue team scanned the DNA of the entire arabidopsis genome for a second, cryptic copy of the hothead gene but could find none.

Dr. Pruitt and his colleagues argue that a correct template must exist, but because it is not in the form of DNA, it probably exists as RNA, DNA's close chemical cousin. RNA performs many important roles in the cell, and is the hereditary material of some viruses. But it is less stable than DNA, and so has been regarded as unsuitable for preserving the genetic information of higher organisms.

Dr. Pruitt said he favored the idea that there is an RNA backup copy for the entire genome, not just the hothead gene, and that it might be set in motion when the plant was under stress, as is the case with those having mutated hothead genes.

He and other experts said it was possible that an entire RNA backup copy of the genome could exist without being detected, especially since there has been no reason until now to look for it.

Scientific journals often take months or years to get comfortable with articles presenting novel ideas. But Nature accepted the paper within six weeks of receiving it. Dr. Christopher Surridge, a biology editor at Nature, said the finding had been discussed at scientific conferences for quite a while, with people saying it was impossible and proposing alternative explanations. But the authors had checked all these out and disposed of them, Dr. Surridge said.

As for their proposal of a backup RNA genome, "that is very much a hypothesis, and basically the least mad hypothesis for how this might be working," Dr. Surridge said.

Dr. Haig, the evolutionary biologist, said that the finding was fascinating but that it was too early to try to interpret it. He noted that if there was a cryptic template, it ought to be more resistant to mutation than the DNA it helps correct. Yet it is hard to make this case for RNA, which accumulates many more errors than DNA when it is copied by the cell.

He said that the mechanism, if confirmed, would be an unprecedented exception to Mendel's laws of inheritance, since the DNA sequence itself is changed. Imprinting, an odd feature of inheritance of which Dr. Haig is a leading student, involves inherited changes to the way certain genes are activated, not to the genes themselves.

The finding poses a puzzle for evolutionary theory because it corrects mutations, which evolution depends on as generators of novelty. Dr. Meyerowitz said he did not see this posing any problem for evolution because it seems to happen only rarely. "What keeps Darwinian evolution intact is that this only happens when there is something wrong," Dr. Surridge said.

The finding could undercut a leading theory of why sex is necessary. Some biologists say sex is needed to discard the mutations, almost all of them bad, that steadily accumulate on the genome. People inherit half of their genes from each parent, which allows the half left on the cutting room floor to carry away many bad mutations. Dr. Pruitt said the backup genome could be particularly useful for self-fertilizing plants, as arabidopsis is, since it could help avoid the adverse effects of inbreeding. It might also operate in the curious organisms known as bdelloid rotifers that are renowned for not having had sex for millions of years, an abstinence that would be expected to seriously threaten their Darwinian fitness.

Dr. Pruitt said it was not yet known if other organisms besides arabidopsis could possess the backup system. Colleagues had been quite receptive to the idea because "biologists have gotten used to the unexpected," he said, referring to a spate of novel mechanisms that have recently come to light, several involving RNA.

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Crazy biology stuff

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RNA backup, huh. I wouldn't be suprised if this is a holdover from the origin of life, the hypothesized "RNA World" where a RNA based genetic system evolved before the current DNA-based system.

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Perhaps God made the baby flowers well again?

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That's bizarre. An RNA genome in every egg cell, which we failed to notice before, despite using arabidopsis in the lab for years? Wouldn't that imply some kind of reverse transcriptase as well?

If such a mechanism does exist, I'm going with the "only in self-fertilising organisms" theory.

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I find this rather bizarre myself, and I doubt it's the case in many organisms at all. Isn't RNA supposed to be much more unstable than DNA, and harder to copy? There is a reason why we all use DNA, after all. Plus I wonder how cells stop this putative RNA genome from being chopped up by their own restriction enzymes.

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Spec.


Well, it's not like you'd be there to appre....

Nah, that's too easy, never mind. Carry on.

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Great. The Creationists are going to milk this for all it's worth to attack Evolution.

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Great. The Creationists are going to milk this for all it's worth to attack Evolution.


My thoughts exactly.

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Great. The Creationists are going to milk this for all it's worth to attack Evolution.


Actually, assuming it's confirmed, and assuming it's not confined just to some plants, it's at least as useful to evolution as it would be to any other attempts to cobble some psuedoscience babble to another spin on the creationist myth.

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Without meaning to threadjack, doesn't this seriously hurt our hopes for stem cells? At the very least it'll tack on many years of finding out what the backup is if it isn't DNA. Please don't get into the ethics of embryonic stem cells, that's just a more confused version of the old abortion debate and I don't have the energy to drag it back up again. I'm just wondering what the implications of it are for THE big thing in biotech.

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Without meaning to threadjack, doesn't this seriously hurt our hopes for stem cells? At the very least it'll tack on many years of finding out what the backup is if it isn't DNA. Please don't get into the ethics of embryonic stem cells, that's just a more confused version of the old abortion debate and I don't have the energy to drag it back up again. I'm just wondering what the implications of it are for THE big thing in biotech.


Maybe these plants couldn't evolve, so something else did instead.

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And no more sports fans.


retards, sports facts, isn't that a bit redundant?

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Without meaning to threadjack, doesn't this seriously hurt our hopes for stem cells?


I don't see how that would be. They appear to be seperate issues. It might do something to genetic engineering, esp projects involving plants.

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There's always been some missing information regarding genetics, e.g., that the traditional genetic system of DNA transcription-translation wasn't complete in describing it. It just makes sense that this discovery came to fruit. Another example is how junk DNA turns out to not be "junk" after all.

Stem cells are something completely different from this matter; just because we discovered something new in the behavior of the genetic code doesn't mean that stem cells automatically are defuct because of this; stem cells are a relatively natural process of cell differentation, nothing more. If it works when yer being developed, it still works placed inside of ya.

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I meant specifically that if this is true for things other than certain types of plant, there's a chance that it will cause stem cells that have been "shifted" into a desired form to shift back to their natural inclination, with possibly nasty consequences. Like autoimmune disorders or something. I don't know. I admit I know little about stem cells beyond the bare basics.

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I meant specifically that if this is true for things other than certain types of plant, there's a chance that it will cause stem cells that have been "shifted" into a desired form to shift back to their natural inclination, with possibly nasty consequences. Like autoimmune disorders or something. I don't know. I admit I know little about stem cells beyond the bare basics.


It's called cancer. Technically this is just about a difference in this one particular plant; we would need more research into this before we try to theorize about implications on our understanding of the human genome.

 
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