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Thorn is offline Thorn
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Army Orders Further Involuntary Troop Call-Up

WASHINGTON (Reuters) - The U.S. Army is ordering more people to serve in Iraq (news - web sites) and Afghanistan (news - web sites) involuntarily from a seldom-used personnel pool as part of a mobilization that began last summer.



They are part of the Army's Individual Ready Reserve, made up of soldiers who have completed their volunteer active-duty service commitment but remain eligible to be called back into uniform for years after returning to civilian life.


The Army, straining to maintain troop levels in Iraq, last June said it would summon more than 5,600 people on the IRR in an effort to have about 4,400 soldiers fit for duty in Iraq and Afghanistan after granting exemption requests for medical reasons and other hardships.


Lt. Col. Pamela Hart said on Wednesday the Army has now increased the number of IRR soldiers it needs to about 4,650, which means a total of about 6,100 will get mobilization orders.


The IRR differs from the part-time Army Reserve and Army National Guard, whose soldiers train regularly as part of units. People on the IRR have no such training requirements.


Hart also said 370 IRR soldiers had not reported to the Army by the date ordered and have not requested an exemption from service or a delay in reporting. Hart said none have been declared absent without leave, or AWOL, and the Army was trying to determine whether all of them actually had received their mobilization orders.


"We're giving them all ample opportunity to comply with their orders," Hart said.


The Army has approved 1,866 requests for exemptions or delays in reporting, Hart said.


There are about 150,000 U.S. troops in Iraq, but the number is slated to decline to about 138,000 this month. The Army has defended tapping into the IRR, saying it was a legitimate personnel tool to find soldiers in a time of need.


Army officials have said that they expect to launch a second round of mobilizations from the IRR this summer on the scale of the current round to provide soldiers for future force rotations into Iraq and Afghanistan.


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Sava is offline Sava
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while this sucks, I have to admit that I think if you are dumb enough to join the reserves, you should accept that you may be called to serve...

the lesson? don't join the reserves.

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Yeah I'm sure people that joined in the Clinton years, expected to be sent off to war after they had servered their time. My brother might be called up, and he's now a University Professor.

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while this sucks, I have to admit that I think if you are dumb enough to join the reserves, you should accept that you may be called to serve...

the lesson? don't join the reserves.


I think the point is don't join the army - full stop!

Asher is offline Asher
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I thought this would be a thread about the gay conspiracy to convert all children to homosexuality...

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shhhh asher, don't give away my plans.... or I'll have to sick the Truppen des Todes (TM)(Copyright) on you.

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I can't wait for Kuci and Jaguar to get drafted. Their guns will be bigger than they are.

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Mar 2001
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while this sucks, I have to admit that I think if you are dumb enough to join the reserves, you should accept that you may be called to serve...

the lesson? don't join the reserves.


You can't really argue with that.....

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Mar 2003
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I didn't know F was a Roman numeral...anyway, this technically doesn't qualify as a back-door draft, they're just scraping the bottom of the barrel on their reserves. What will happen when they exhaust those reserves is anybody's guess. Sure, they could try an actual draft, but given what Iraq is like, I for one might just refuse and take jail or whatever it is they give to draft-duckers. I don't think I'd be alone either.

Wycoff is offline Wycoff
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Sure, they could try an actual draft, but given what Iraq is like, I for one might just refuse and take jail or whatever it is they give to draft-duckers. I don't think I'd be alone either.


There is no way that they'll actually reinstate the draft. That would be political suicide in any but the most dire situation.

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I thought this would be a thread about the gay conspiracy to convert all children to homosexuality...


Nothing is stopping you from gay infecting it anyway...

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Apr 2001
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George Bush told me we're taking troops out of Iraq and you're trying to tell me different? Wait a minute...

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Sep 2001
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IRR is not part of the "back door draft" but instead are people who are still in the period they enlisted. The IRR is usually a two year period at the end of en enlistment during which the military can recall you if they need you but normally most people just sail through without ever being called up. These guys didn't get so lucky.

"Stop lose" is the dirty tactic which people refer to as the shadow draft.

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I think the point is don't join the army - full stop!


Depends on what you're looking for.

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Everyone that joins the military signs on for eight years,

Active duty anywhere from 2 to 6 years, active reserve 2-6 years.

The time they aren't active of that eight years, is spent in the inactive reserve.

For example:

I was on active duty for 5 years. for the last 3 years of that 8 year commitment, I had to send in a yearly "availabilty report", basically detailing my current address.

I just never got called back to active duty.

ACK!

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thought this would be a thread about the gay conspiracy to convert all children to homosexuality..


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If you want to get rid of that "back door draft", have your mommy button up your pajama bottoms for you.

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