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Drogue
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Omnipresent conscience
Oct 2002
time: 05:21
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Originally posted by reds4ever
The athletics part is a bit sketchy but you'd have to be blind not to to see its broadly right, a big stat is that sub 10 seconds 100 meters have been run over 200 times, never once by a white man.
The author doesn't make any distinctions inbetween Eastern Africans who dominate distance running and Western Africans (and decendants) who rule the sprints.
Once you've admitted differing physical capabilites, it's not a big jump before you can at least *allow* for mental differences. A lot of people won't admit the former (which is obviously true) because it leads to the latter and that, in their own minds. would make them a racist. |
 Whether or not there is a difference between people of different ethnic backgrounds when it comes to IQ, and whether that's due to schooling, genetics or anything else I don't know or care. However I do know that there is nothing necessarily holding them to be exactly equal, and that as such, it is perfectly possible that there is a difference.
We can see, as Reds has stated, that there is a difference when it comes to running 100metres. How fast you can sprint is determined by how hard you train and how many fast twitch muscles you have, the latter of which is far more prevelant in people of West African descent. It's clear that there is a genetic difference in some physical capabilities, from how much those people get sunburn to how fast they can run. Similarly, it's perfectly possible there is a difference in terms of intelligence, even in terms of it being different, but not necessarily better. It may not be pronounced or significant, but it's not false just on it's premise.
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reds4ever
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of the Spion Kop
Mar 2001
time: 05:21
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Originally posted by Drogue
So the same is true of state differences, national differences, and the like? And the same with physical things I suppose, that blacks run faster purely because their socioeconomic conditions make them train harder? |
If you look at the ratio of blacks against whites in Olympic sprint finals it blows the whole socioeconomic argument out of the water. As you move through the distances (100, 200, 400 and even 800M) there are generally more and more whites at the top tier.
So blacks can be arsed training for 100 but not for 800m? And whites can be bothered with 800m but not 100m?
What are people so scared of?
Last edited by reds4ever on 25-03-2005 at 04:47
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Elok
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Land of Ramen Dragons
Mar 2003
time: 00:21
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Alright, I've put up the Fez-symbol, he should be here shortly...what do you mean, you don't see it? It's the big rainbow-colored fasces projected against the clouds, how could you miss it? Well, that's because you're a treasonous freedom-hating bastard who should be shot and vivisected without anesthetic as he bleeds to death, only good people can see the Fez-symbol. So there.
WRT Ozzie's neglected points, which seem as good a continuation as anything given where this thread has gone, there is reason to believe that youth are as a whole inferior cognitively to adults. For one thing, the brain doesn't completely develop and become fully myelinated until the end of puberty or so, and for another a lot of intelligence is acquired as experience in the ways of the world. It's a bit different from race.
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Immortal Wombat
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in perpetuity
Dec 2000
time: 05:21
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Originally posted by Drogue
So the same is true of state differences, national differences, and the like? And the same with physical things I suppose, that blacks run faster purely because their socioeconomic conditions make them train harder? |
Selection pressures. For the few thousand years between H. sapiens spreading across the world to inventing trade routes, the selection pressure on intelligence was not correlated with race, but culture. There have been really quite credible studies done into how the Jewish culture has promoted intelligent males over fast/strong/physical males and produced in the present day a population who overall might be a few intelligence points ahead of the descendants of neighbouring cultures.
But the timescale is very limited, and the disparity between cultures can therefore only ever be very very small. And continual interbreeding continually diminishes it - which means that in anywhere with a recent history of diverse cultural makeup, the effect will be practically non-existant. Between a thousand pure Australian Aboriginies and a thousand pure Jews in America, then maybe there will be a slight but noticable difference in "intelligences"*, but on the whole I think there won't be as significant an effect as is seen in physical activities.
*intelligences: It is plausible that cultures have required different types of "intelligence" or cognitive ability to different extents (Spatial perception vs Logical reasoning for example), which have affected and differentiated (to some tiny extent) the cognitive nature (and nurture) of individuals from different cultures.
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aneeshm
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Indore , Madhya Pradesh
Jul 2001
time: 10:51
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Originally posted by Kidicious
I'm not stifling discussion. I just think racist people like to talk about it, and other people mostly don't give a **** about it. I don't know why you guys sucker normal people into your discussions. |
Please tell me why a brown-skinned Indian male would troll about racism ? I want serious discussion , which is seemingly impossible when the PC brigade tries to rescue us from our deluded attempts to find the truth/discuss the truth .
And the given study also cites the fact that 'g' does have an effect , and a provable one , on success .
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