25-03-2005 21:25									#121
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Why is Kidicious on my ignore list? He wasn't there yesterday?

	25-03-2005 21:27									#122
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Situation rectified. He was alone there, except for Bob Dornan and that's not a fate I'd inflict on anyone.

	25-03-2005 21:29									#123
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You clicked a link that KH posted.

	25-03-2005 22:38									#124
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quote: Originally posted by Kidicious I'll take my Anthrology professors word for it. He taught us that there is no such thing as actual race, and therefore there is no difference in intellegence between "races." I've always been satisfied with that and I've never had a reason to question it. Why should I?

But why do you have a problem with other people questioning it? Were not all lucky enough to have been exposed to the dogma of your 'Anthrology' professor.

	25-03-2005 22:49									#125
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quote: I think Q Cubed is trying to see how many times he can brag about being asian without people getting upset. You can do it forever because no one cares. People only get offended when white people brag about being white.

Not really. I've actually managed to brag about being white in places where being white isn't too beneficial.

'Course, it also helps that I don't look white.

RICE CRACKAS REPREZENT!

Asians.

(And I'm not bragging, I'm just having fun here.)

	25-03-2005 23:02									#126
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quote: Anthropology, if it can't explain something there are clearly no differences. Say if anthropology can't explain why some "races" have certain different facial (or other) features, they don't exist. Keep saying that.

Where did I say that? I said that John's "logic," that just because there's variation between "races" in things like skin color means that there's variation in intelligence is absurd.

Biology can easily explain differing facial characteristics: genetic drift, which is fairly important since these characteristics are controlled by a relatively small number of genes (unlike intelligence). And you very well may have a gradient in selective pressures on facial characteristics - certain nose geometries may be slightly more efficient in breathing, for instance.

	25-03-2005 23:12									#127
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quote: Originally posted by Q Cubed quote: I think Q Cubed is trying to see how many times he can brag about being asian without people getting upset. You can do it forever because no one cares. People only get offended when white people brag about being white. Not really. I've actually managed to brag about being white in places where being white isn't too beneficial. 'Course, it also helps that I don't look white. RICE CRACKAS REPREZENT! Asians. (And I'm not bragging, I'm just having fun here.)

I know. Me too.

	25-03-2005 23:15									#128
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quote: Originally posted by reds4ever But why do you have a problem with other people questioning it? Were not all lucky enough to have been exposed to the dogma of your 'Anthrology' professor.

I don't really, but a lot of the people who do these studies are clearly racist, like the people who wrote the Bell Curve. The Bell Curve is nothing but racist propaganda under the cover of scientific study.

	25-03-2005 23:24									#129
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quote: I don't really, but a lot of the people who do these studies are clearly racist, like the people who wrote the Bell Curve. The Bell Curve is nothing but racist propaganda under the cover of scientific study.

How so?

	25-03-2005 23:27									#130
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quote: Originally posted by Q Cubed quote: I don't really, but a lot of the people who do these studies are clearly racist, like the people who wrote the Bell Curve. The Bell Curve is nothing but racist propaganda under the cover of scientific study. How so?

It was just a repeat of studies that were already been proven wrong.

	25-03-2005 23:44									#131
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quote: Originally posted by chegitz guevara Having fun with your strawman? There is a difference between arguing for a "blank slate" and disagreeing with "biology is destiny."

I never said Biology is Destiny. BOTH have an influence, often in suprising and counterintuitive ways. If genetics is destiny, then the viruses, which only have a handful of genes, must be the J. S. Mills of Biology.

Middle ground:

B@stards who wrote The Bell Curve:

	26-03-2005 00:09									#132
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I don't see why this issue needs to be discussed. There are some things better left unresearched. This is why no one is going studies on race and intelligence. It will just make people feel bad about themselves, and promote racism.

	26-03-2005 00:25									#133
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quote: It was just a repeat of studies that were already been proven wrong.

Never read the Bell Curve. I initially read it as you complaining about the statistical concept "the bell curve".

	26-03-2005 01:00									#134
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quote: Originally posted by Ramo quote: Anthropology, if it can't explain something there are clearly no differences. Say if anthropology can't explain why some "races" have certain different facial (or other) features, they don't exist. Keep saying that. Where did I say that? I said that John's "logic," that just because there's variation between "races" in things like skin color means that there's variation in intelligence is absurd. Biology can easily explain differing facial characteristics: genetic drift, which is fairly important since these characteristics are controlled by a relatively small number of genes (unlike intelligence). And you very well may have a gradient in selective pressures on facial characteristics - certain nose geometries may be slightly more efficient in breathing, for instance.

I happen to agree with him and it's not "logic" it's just logic Ramo. Not focus on the skin color but the point. "My take is this: since intelligence is partly/largely/totally determined by genetics (as is skin color, hair, resistance to diseases, etc), then it is likely that there are measurable differences between the various races. However, the difference will be so small (and, with all the interbreeding going on in the modern world, constantly shrinking) that it will matter little except for pride. "
I wouldn't say I agree about the "measurable" part thought, I wouldn't know enough about it, but who does really. Just because he uses variances that are so easily dismissed by your beliefs doesn't mean there are others that can't simply be explained away.
Also, may have x2, breathing, that's it? Don't concentrate on the face let alone nose, that's not all. Hell I wouldn't even know half, I bet nobody knows all. Yes we should both know they all can't be explained.

	26-03-2005 01:10									#135
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boo asians.

	26-03-2005 01:11									#136
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MRT144

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	26-03-2005 01:14									#137
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Uh, make it more clear by putting the book's title in quotation marks next time: "The Bell Curve." I guess I haven't been reading the literature enough to be familiar, but that's just asking for trouble, not making it clear that you're talking about the book. Until I read the followup posts, like Q^3 I was thinking, "For crying out loud, that's elementary statistics, and common sense to boot, and they think it's a hoax? Even for polyfolk these people are talking loony!"

	26-03-2005 01:15									#138
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quote: Originally posted by Q Cubed MRT144 Asians

most my close friends are asian. i think i have the right.

	26-03-2005 01:25									#139
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quote: Originally posted by Q Cubed MRT144 Asians

At least some my ancestors came from the Middle East. Does that make me Asian?

OTOH ALL our ancestors came from Africa.

OTOH 3 of my grandparents were born in Europe.

OTOH I was born in the good ole USA, land of the free and home of the brave.


Very proud to be Asian, African, European, AND American.


Not Australian though. Dammit.

	26-03-2005 01:33									#140
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quote: most my close friends are asian. i think i have the right.

MRT144 being wrong again
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	26-03-2005 01:37									#141
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quote: Originally posted by Ramo quote: Anthropology, if it can't explain something there are clearly no differences. Say if anthropology can't explain why some "races" have certain different facial (or other) features, they don't exist. Keep saying that. Where did I say that? I said that John's "logic," that just because there's variation between "races" in things like skin color means that there's variation in intelligence is absurd. Biology can easily explain differing facial characteristics: genetic drift, which is fairly important since these characteristics are controlled by a relatively small number of genes (unlike intelligence). And you very well may have a gradient in selective pressures on facial characteristics - certain nose geometries may be slightly more efficient in breathing, for instance.

And don't forget sexual selection as a result of cultural diferences (Would that why blond hair and blue eyes are so common in N. Europe?).

	26-03-2005 01:55									#142
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"my Anthrology professors word"

Regardless of anyone's position or crap,

Anthropology

	26-03-2005 02:07									#143
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IQ testing can ruin your life. I was tested for IQ, along with my schoolmates, in grammar school. They used this, along with grades, to assign kids to classes.

My grades sucked of course, but I had a relatively high IQ.

So I got lumped in with the smart kids and it pretty much stayed that way through high school.

It ruined my life.

Why you ask?

I will tell you.

Dumb girls put it out; smart girls don't.

Well, smart girls do, but not as much as dumb girls. Everyone knows that.

I am talking 30 years ago, yeah, I know things are different now.

But in those days you couldn't get it from the smart ones. So, I never got laid enough. It made my skin go bad. Pimples. Then, the more pimples, the less I got.

It was a vicious circle.

I finally broke down and started screwing the dumb girls my senior year. It was scandalous, you aren't supposed to screw out of class. But, it saved my life and my skin cleared right up.

So, let that be a lesson. Don't take IQ tests. It will f**k you up.

	26-03-2005 02:08									#144
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...

Capt Dizle....



Asians

	26-03-2005 02:11									#145
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quote: Originally posted by Q Cubed ... Capt Dizle.... Asians

Crackers!

	26-03-2005 02:14									#146
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I think Capt Dizle's real lesson is that sex cures acne.

	26-03-2005 02:31									#147
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quote: Originally posted by Japher I think Capt Dizle's real lesson is that sex cures acne.

Yeah, but, getting back on topic, most of the girls in my high IQ classes were white, most of the girls from the dumb classes were black, so, was it the sex the cured the acne, or was it something that only the sisters can throw on ya?

Crackers!

	26-03-2005 02:32									#148
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Maybe its those fast twitch muscles they got!

	26-03-2005 02:39									#149
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Maybe it's the lack of stress... You don't have to try to impress a dumb girl