25-03-2005 00:09									#1
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People were asking what had happened with this....

quote: U.S. army deserter loses bid for refugee status CTV.ca News Staff The Immigration and Refugee Board has denied refugee status to Jeremy Hinzman, the U.S. soldier who fled to Canada to avoid the war in Iraq. Hinzman, 26, fled military service because he calls the Iraq war illegal. The U.S. army has declared him AWOL: absent without leave. Hinzman had been seeking political refugee status in Canada, arguing that he would be jailed if he returned to the U.S. and his life would be in danger. He will now likely be deported to the United States and prosecuted as a deserter. Deserters from countries with compulsory military service have been granted refugee status in Canada. But since Hinzman volunteered for military service, this case was considered different. If he is granted refugee status, some critics have said it could open the door for even more U.S. deserters to arrive in Canada. Hinzman joined the army in 2001 and trained as a paratrooper. He said he signed up at his father's urging because it allowed him to receive a university education. But he says his thinking changed after going through combat training, in which he claims he was ordered to chant, "Trained to kill and kill we will." He says that's when realized he had problems with "taking human life." By August 2002, the practising Buddhist applied to be a conscientious objector -- meaning his personal beliefs prevented him from participating in war. His application was turned down and he was given orders to ship out to Iraq in late 2003. That's when he fled his North Carolina base and headed for Canada with his wife and toddler son, Liam. Hinzman's wife, Nga Nguyen, is also seeking asylum. The Immigration and Refugee Board's ruling is expected Thursday afternoon.

He lost.

	25-03-2005 00:18									#2
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I love this part:

quote: But he says his thinking changed after going through combat training, in which he claims he was ordered to chant, "Trained to kill and kill we will." He says that's when realized he had problems with "taking human life."

Hey, genius. You should probably have been able to figure out that when you not only join the military but train as a paratrooper, you might be called upon to take a human life.

	25-03-2005 00:53									#3
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I wonder if he was a "practising Buddhist" BEFORE he voluntarily joined the military

	25-03-2005 00:59									#4
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quote: Originally posted by Ming I wonder if he was a "practising Buddhist" BEFORE he voluntarily joined the military

Reminds me of death row inmates that "find God".

Keep in mind, Hinzman hasn't gone anywhere yet. He still has Option B - disappear and avoid deportation.

	25-03-2005 01:15									#5
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And this is Canada, there are still many vietnam draft dodgers 'illegaly' hiding here.

He won't have any trouble unless they have him under guard or something.

	25-03-2005 01:17									#6
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Actually Canada and the United States in 2000 by President Bush signed a treaty that prevents draft dogers from being allowed to stay in Canada, so good luck.

	25-03-2005 01:27									#7
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quote: Originally posted by Thorn Actually Canada and the United States in 2000 by President Bush signed a treaty that prevents draft dogers from being allowed to stay in Canada, so good luck.

It's not a question of "allowed", it is a question of how much effort will be spent trying to find and remove him.

	25-03-2005 01:29									#8
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Also, he is a 'deserter' not a 'draft dodger'. If he had been dodging a draft his chances would have been much better.

	25-03-2005 01:32									#9
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While I sympathize with this man, I must admit, it's his own damn fault.

Lesson learned?

Don't join the military.