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If you were in the same condition as Terri Schiavo, would you want to be kept alive? (Time out:0 days after 26-03-2005, 02:41)
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Q Cubed is offline Q Cubed
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If I can't be a useful, contributing member to society, then I don't see why I should be suffered to live. If I can't justify my existence, and I'm placed in such a state, there's no reason to keep me alive.

Unless the doctors really want to milk my insurance. If I don't have insurance, I don't want to be a burden on the public, so unplug me. I can't afford it.

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In this case, a will wouldn't have mattered because the parents are in denial that their daughter is in a PVS.

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Yes, I would. I think as long as I can breath on my own I want the chance to fight for my life.,

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while wasting a lot of other people's time?

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Hmmm.....well if you are refering to the nursing staff and doctors isn't that really what they get paid for? And yes, I consider myself a viable human being and I choose to fight to live shouldn't they fight right along with me? How is allowing another human being to live a waste of time?

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No, I don't mean medicall staff et all, I mean denying your husband, kids, parents to get on with their lives and put it behind them.

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Well I sure as hell wouldn't want to be starved to death.

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I'd prefer to be killed on the spot. Death by starvation is inelegant. Even if I am braindead, the nerve cells will still be frantically signalling once they start starving. I'd rather my cells die quickly.

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Dear loved-ones,
I make the following statement in a sound state of mind and of my own volition:

If I am rendered comatose and determined to be in a persistent vegetative state (PVS) for a period longer than one month and if no imminent cure is forthcoming, I do not wish to be kept alive by artificial means including but not limited to nourishment, hydration, etc.

However....

If, due to the absurd political state of affairs in this country, my persistent vegetative state and impending unplugging can be parlayed into some sort of political leverage, I wholly endorse using my predicament in whatever way possible for the purposes of passing legislation favorable to my general political and ethical outlook. Here is a list of top-tier causes I support and will continue to support, both while in my PVS and after my eventual death.

Debt Relief to Impoverished Nations: I will agree to stay in a PVS for an indeterminate amount of time if the United States aggressively pursues a policy of debt relief and debt forgiveness to developing and impoverished nations.


Nuclear Disarmament and De-escalation: I will agree to stay in a PVS for a open-ended period of time if the United States aggressively pursues a policy of nuclear disarmament and de-escalation. By this I mean desisting from developing new bellicose nuclear technologies and providing significant non-military incentives for nations to avoid nuclear armament.


Humanitarian Foreign Policy: I will demure to the pro-Life contingent's desire that I be kept in a PVS in perpetuum if the United States aggressively pursues a humane foreign policy. This policy should be guided by the idea that this country must use its economic prowess and leverage to bring education, health care, basic services, and opportunity to the millions of disenfranchised, impoverished and oppressed peoples of the world. For example, instead of providing Bradley Fighting Vehicles or F16s to the Israeli army, the United States would open a free, state-of-the-art, health clinics in every West Bank refugee camp.


Environmentally Sensitive Policy: I agree to be kept "plugged-in" and in a PVS until I expire of other natural causes if the United States aggressively pursues a policy of environmental sensitivity. This policy should include an economic emphasis on renewable energy sources, preserving open spaces, protecting environmentally sensitive areas (such as the Biosphere Reserves, ANWAR, Amazon Basin, etc.) and using economic and political leverage to encourage other nations to behave in like manner.

Should my friends or family find a way to use the issue of my impending unplugging to bring Congress into emergency session, to draft emergency legislation, or to encourage politicians to make statements favorable to the abovementioned causes, I hereby grant permission to do whatever is necessary with my body to accomplish said ends.

If the United States Government coldly and callously dismisses the value and sanctity of my life by refusing to enact the policies laid out above, I will offer a staggered plan of unplugging. With each of the following acts, truly pro-Life leaders will be able to secure more time for my existence, sustained via the miracles of modern medicine, while I enjoy my PVS.
Plant 30 mature trees in an inner-city ( + 1 day!! )
Build one basketball court in an inner-city ( + 1 day!! )
Remove graffiti from 10 inner-city buildings ( + 4 days!! )
Build a playground in an inner-city ( + 1 week!! )
Build and staff a library in an inner-city ( + 1 week!! )
Repair an inner-city school and provide adequate heating ( + 1 week!! )
Provide computers and computer classes to an inner-city school system ( + 10 days!! )
Build and staff a community center in an inner-city ( + 10 days!! )
Build and staff a job training center in an inner-city ( + 2 weeks!!)
Build and staff a school in a inner-city ( + 2 weeks!! )
Provide text books for all students of an inner-city school system ( + 2 weeks!! )
Build and staff a health care clinic in an inner-city ( + 3 weeks!! )
Build and staff an emergency room in an inner-city ( + 30 days!!! )
*** EXCITING LIMITED-TIME OFFER!!! ***
Should these staggered incentives prove inadequate to morally motivate the conservative "pro-Life" leadership in this country, for a limited time, I will allow the US Government (State, County and City Governments are also welcome to participate!) to keep me alive in a PVS as follows:

Save my life for an additional minute by contributing two dollars ($2.00 US) to any one of the following non-profit organizations: WHO, OxFam, Greenpeace, Earth Justice, NOW, NARAL, MoveOn.org, Act For Change, Free the Slaves, Anti-Slavery International, ACLU, or Amnesty International.

* Please note: You can purchase blocks of minutes at a discounted rate of $1.75 per minute of life!!

The above statements represent my true and unadulterated wishes, given here under no coercion whatsoever. These statements should be taken as the legally-binding wishes of yours truly.

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I will say here what I said to my family.

If I am on a machine, do what seems best, BUT if I am capable of breathing on my own, just feed me, and water me, and give me a little sun, like any other happy little houseplant.

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I'd prefer to be kept alive by whatever means my family desires.

If they are willing to take care of me, then they should be able to do so.

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I'll take death.

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I'd prefer to be kept alive by whatever means my family desires.

If they are willing to take care of me, then they should be able to do so.




Thank you. Those were the words I was trying to say.

Let's not forget that Mr. Schiavo does have fiance' while still married as well as children with this fiance' as well as stands to inherit over a million dollars don't you think he maybe just maybe might have a hidden agenda. Just a thought.

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stands to inherit over a million dollars don't you think he maybe just maybe might have a hidden agenda. Just a thought.


nope... I was watching the Abrams report on MSNBC and they said there is only $40,000 left that would be sent to charity.

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Good. And the other woman offeres no hidden agenda

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what bout life insurance anything there as of yet

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I suggest y'all get some facts before jumping on the "Lets Smear Michael" bandwagon. on y'all for being tools of the "religious" right...

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what bout life insurance anything there as of yet


It wouldn't apply even if it likely hasn't long ago been canceled by the insurance companies.

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And the other woman offeres no hidden agenda


She ain't hidden... You expect him to never have another relationship? Hey Mike, your wife is so brain damaged she's beyond help. Now we expect you to stay "faithful" for the next 30 years and give up on having kids and a family. Where were these religious con artists when Newt Gingrich was divorcing his cancer stricken wife for the younger hottie he was cheating with? They kept quiet!

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pwneD!

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I think they'd be even more upset if he'd remained "faithful," if you know what I mean. Technically it would be rape.

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Hey, she used to be quite a little hottie.

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This is indeed a disturbing universe.

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More's the pity.


I wonder what Bizarro Che would be like.

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Pekka.

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