26-03-2005 02:40									#1
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Saw this poll on another site and liked it.

Would you want to be kept alive in a Persistent Vegetative State? Yes or no?

I'm not asking if you would want the same thing that's being done to Terri now be done to you. I'm asking, that, if you all of a sudden were to be injured so that you were in a PVS, would you want to be kept alive at all? Not would you want your husband, or parents, or whatever to pull the plug...what would you want?

	26-03-2005 02:42									#2
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I don't even want to be kept alive in a healthy state, let alone PVS...

	26-03-2005 02:43									#3
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I don't really care...

...they can hire me out as a doll for all I care.

	26-03-2005 02:43									#4
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kill me

let this post be legal evidence of my intentions

	26-03-2005 02:45									#5
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same here. pull the plug (or whatever)...please.

My wife and I have living wills, and we both feel the same way

	26-03-2005 02:46									#6
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Whatever is done I want to b drug around like that dead guy at Weekend at Bernies. Then, if I am still alive, put me back on life support. If I am dead, burn me

	26-03-2005 02:47									#7
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I also would not want to live as a qudripalegic (though parapalegic would be okay)

basically any kind of permanent condition where I can't take care of myself (like taking a **** or cleaning myself)- I would want to die.

	26-03-2005 02:47									#8
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Hard to tell. Do we really know what that means for the person in such a state?

I'd probably want to be killed. If the personality is lost and I'm effectively dead, then killing me will save trouble for many people. If there's still something going on in my mind, then I definitely rather die than be trapped like that.

	26-03-2005 02:49									#9
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quote: If the personality is lost... then killing me will save trouble for many people

I know there's a joke in there somewhere. You make this too easy Solver!

	26-03-2005 03:00									#10
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From what I've heard, I don't believe I'd be in a position to "want" anything. But I saw Kill Bill again last night, and I'm thinking I don't want to risk becoming one of "Buck's girls," whether I can feel it or not, plus it is a waste of cash. So sure, let me go under those circumstances.

	26-03-2005 03:11									#11
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Yes. For one, Terri might not be in a PVS. If that's the case, we should certainly keep her alive and get the physical therapy she has been denied. If she is in a PVS, well she isn't aware she is kept alive so there is no harm in that.

	26-03-2005 03:13									#12
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I heard about this semi-concious state, it doesn't sound any better than a permanent vegetative state.

In either case: Kill me.

	26-03-2005 03:14									#13
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quote: Originally posted by Shi Huangdi Terri might not be in a PVS.

That's a load of horseshit, something that is not true but is held onto by those who are fighting for her. She's not going to get better.

	26-03-2005 03:16									#14
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quote: kill me let this post be legal evidence of my intentions

	26-03-2005 03:16									#15
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Does a PVS mean the person can not recover?

Anyway, trapped in a body is a horrible state, if she's somewhat conscious. Think "One" by Metallica.

	26-03-2005 03:17									#16
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Nice to see you are calling Nobel Prize nominated Doctors and doctor from the Mayo Clinic have to say "horseshit". Also nice to see you can say that when she hasn't yet been given a PET Scan or any of the most modern medical brain-scanning devices. And nice of you to say that when people have come out of it before, and we don't know what medical advances in the future might be able resuscitate her.

Not that the left would let any of that get in the way out of their zeal to kill though.

	26-03-2005 03:17									#17
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Edit: You'll have to excuse my lack of reading

	26-03-2005 03:21									#18
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quote: kill me let this post be legal evidence of my intentions

	26-03-2005 03:23									#19
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Cerebral Cortex: Complete destroyed, replaced by cerebrospinal fluid

70-90% of her upper brain has been destroyed

Three Florida neurologists viewed 12 of Schiavo's computed tomography scans on March 22. After viewing the scans, Dr. Leon Prockop (a professor and former chairman of neurology at the University of South Florida's College of Medicine) was quoted by the Sun-Sentinel as saying that Schiavo's is the "most severe brain damage as I've ever seen." Dr. Walter Bradley, the chairman of neurology at the University of Miami's Miller School of Medicine, said that he "[d]oubts there's any activity going on in the higher levels of her brain."

A new computed axial tomography scan (CAT scan) was done, as was an electroencephalogram (EEG). The CAT scan showed severe cerebral atrophy.

Mrs. Schiavo could be evaluated with a PET scan in her current condition. However, an MRI cannot be done without first surgically removing experimental electrodes which were implanted within her brain in 1992, something that Mr. Schiavo has chosen not to do. [15] (http://www.nationalreview.com/scrip...00503160848.asp) It is unlikely that either a PET scan or an MRI would find anything other than the severe atrophy disclosed by the CAT scan.

A persistent vegetative state (or PVS), also known as cortical death, is a condition of patients with severe brain damage in whom coma has progressed to a state of "wakefulness without awareness". The term was introduced by two doctors in 1972 to describe a syndrome that seemed to have been made possible by medicine's increased capacities to keep patients' bodies alive. A persistent vegetative state is not the same as coma

Few people have been reported to recover from PVS. Some authorities hold that PVS is, in fact, irreversible, and that the reportedly recovered patients were not suffering from true PVS.

just some bits I picked up from the wiki

	26-03-2005 03:33									#20
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edit: I got that wrong.

	26-03-2005 03:34									#21
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No, I wouldn't, because I WOULD BE IN A VEGETATIVE STATE. It's quite difficult to have desires at that point.

	26-03-2005 03:36									#22
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quote: Originally posted by Solver Does a PVS mean the person can not recover? Anyway, trapped in a body is a horrible state, if she's somewhat conscious. Think "One" by Metallica.

I don't know anyone who ISN'T trapped in a body...

	26-03-2005 03:37									#23
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quote: Originally posted by Kuciwalker I don't know anyone who ISN'T trapped in a body...

god?

	26-03-2005 03:52									#24
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quote: Originally posted by Dissident god?

Does he know Him?

	26-03-2005 03:56									#25
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the question here should be does it matter, you cant feel, think or the likes of that. You wouldnt know or care if they killed you off. Leave a will thats the answer

	26-03-2005 04:11									#26
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quote: Originally posted by Dissident kill me let this post be legal evidence of my intentions

	26-03-2005 04:17									#27
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I'd want that everybody else would be killed

	26-03-2005 04:18									#28
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If I were in the position of Terry Shiavo, my brain would be way too dead for me to have any desire. Hence my "I don't know".

With my current cognitive abilities (i.e. a healthy brain), I say my family should pull the plug if I was in this situation. Keeping a person in such misery is a terrible waste. For all intend and purposes, the Spiffor my family loves will be dead already. There's definitely no need to stall them as they must go forward with their lives (that, and I can't bear the idea of eating so much resources for absolutely no use to anybody)

	26-03-2005 04:53									#29
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quote: Originally posted by Shi Huangdi Yes. For one, Terri might not be in a PVS. If that's the case, we should certainly keep her alive and get the physical therapy she has been denied. If she is in a PVS, well she isn't aware she is kept alive so there is no harm in that.

Nice dodge, but the question was if YOU were in such a condition. Would you really want to be kept alive like that? And if so, why?

	26-03-2005 05:18									#30
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Well, nothing says "Life is precious" like a drooling vegetable hooked up to a machine...