08-04-2005 05:31									#181
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quote: Originally posted by Lancer Wonderful old chuch which was built by the Spanish 4 or 500 years ago. It's cross shaped and has flying buttresses and is beautifully painted, ceiling and all.

I'm still hitting myself in the head for not taking a picture of it. All I have is a shot of its dome, as seen from the wharf, with Lancer and Theben in the foreground.

	08-04-2005 05:38									#182
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"and I don't think I'm abandoning Christ by becoming Catholic."

No, of course not. Read what I wrote again. A religion that denies Christ would be the Moslems or Buddist or something like that...I guess. Though I don't know much about these religions in truth.

Zkrib, I took a video inside the church if you want it. I can copy it and send it w/ the other one. I close up focused on all the paintings and even got some of a service in progress. Interested?

	08-04-2005 05:40									#183
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Just wanted to clarify that.

Sorry for bristling, Lancer.

	08-04-2005 05:48									#184
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"Sorry for bristling, Lancer."

You Catholics are just WAY too aggressive!

...joking, joking!

	08-04-2005 05:50									#185
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Let's just say one of my closest friends wasn't all that enamoured of my decision.

	08-04-2005 06:34									#186
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quote: Originally posted by Lancer " Zkrib, I took a video inside the church if you want it. . . . Interested?

Nah. I rarely look at videos. I do look at still pix, so I'll have to come back and take some more.

	08-04-2005 06:43									#187
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quote: Originally posted by Mrs. Tuberski Being confirmed is a special sacrament in the catholic church. I dont practice my faith but good luck.

We go to Church and then we don't go, but then we go again, and then don't go for a while. Right now we are not going. But the Faith will alway be part of me. I will be catholic until the day I died.

	08-04-2005 06:46									#188
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"Let's just say one of my closest friends wasn't all that enamoured of my decision."

Just tell him on the sly that you're really doing undercover work for the Baptists. That usually works. Or, tell him you became a Catholic because the people in your old church were too contentious. He can't argue with that without proving your point.

"I do look at still pix, so I'll have to come back and take some more."

I'll have your pillows fluffed and bed turned down.

	08-04-2005 06:54									#189
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quote: Originally posted by Ben Kenobi I don't think I'm abandoning Christ by becoming Catholic.

Boy I hope not. That would make the thrashing I got at age 8 from a bunch of Baptist skinheads becuase I wouldn't agree that Catholicism was an anti-Christian cult totally meaningless.

	08-04-2005 07:00									#190
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quote: Originally posted by Zevico What strikes me is that the Catholic church has done so many horrible things in its past, and may do more in the future. It ruled half of europe for a while, and many of its popes were terrible people-people who killed and tortured thousands, if not more. I would understand if you perhaps believed in the tenets of Catholicism, but to place trust in the Vatican as an institution seems to me completely naive. Especially considering the relative laxity with which church members have treated sex offenders among their ranks. If this isn't what you're doing, then I hope you find whatever it is you seek in your beliefs. If it is, I hope you know what you're in for (not in the Apocalyptic 'burn in hell' sense).

You have to take the world as a whole. The world has seen a few good leader and tons of bad.

When a man gets up in the morning, he is a man. Then he/she puts on clothes that make him/her into their jobs. Yes We have had Pope that none of us would invite for dinner. But all catholic make up the church and not just the pope.

My answer to the sex part. You have to look at Jesus life. If Jesus was walking here today, what would he said to one of them. I would bet he would tell them to repent and do not let it happen again and ask for forgiveness and then go on with life.
You want to take man vengeance.

	08-04-2005 07:01									#191
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"Baptist skinheads"

Imagine that. Huh. Somehow I think they may have missed a few sunday school lessons.

	08-04-2005 07:06									#192
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quote: Originally posted by Dr Strangelove Catholicism was an anti-Christian cult totally meaningless.

The cultish, superstitious side of catholicism is rather fun.

Bring back the Aryan christians

	08-04-2005 07:07									#193
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quote: Originally posted by Dr Strangelove Actually, the first protestant churches, the Lutheran and Anglican denominations, generally have all the features you're attributing solely to the Catholic church

That is because they are really catholic. King Henry did not change the church, he said from now on I will be the leader of the chuch in England, and then he killed his wife.

Luther asked his follower not to leave the church, stay and change it from inside, but after he died, they said that they would no longer follow the Pope in Rome.

	08-04-2005 07:15									#194
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Whatever Joseph said.

Popes are just people, some good, some bad. The Catholic church says he's a stand in for Jesus and that irks, but does it do any harm to the individual seeking salvation?

	08-04-2005 07:27									#195
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quote: Originally posted by Lancer "Baptist skinheads" Imagine that. Huh. Somehow I think they may have missed a few sunday school lessons.

The South. 1961. They were only acting in accordance with what they had been taught at home and in church. When I put my personal knowledge, having lived for 5 years in largely Catholic New York, up against what they had been taught by their parents and preachers they reacted as if I were disrespecting their elders and proceeded to try to teach me a lesson.

The principle judged that I was equally responsible for the fight even though I had tried to escape and hadn't gotten so much as one lick in since I had been "argumentative". I was told to apologize to the other boy, but I responded by asking if I had to agree that Catholics were a cult. I didn't get an answer, he simply told me to go back to class.

Of course in 1961 most of my classmates sported "Deliverance" hair cuts.
Last week Liberty Baptist University held a "mock trial" for Abraham Lincoln. Care to guess the verdict?

	08-04-2005 07:31									#196
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It's an odd reality.

"Care to guess the verdict?"

What were the charges? Was he a Catholic?

	08-04-2005 07:47									#197
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quote: Originally posted by Lancer It's an odd reality. "Care to guess the verdict?" What were the charges? Was he a Catholic?

No, treason for making war upon the South, violating the constitutional rtight to secede, blah, blah, blah.

Some year I'd like to have the Congress do an April Fool's vote to expel the old Confederate states. I'd love to see how these guys react.

	08-04-2005 07:53									#198
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People being told its their fault for getting beat up. Pretty dumb.

	08-04-2005 08:16									#199
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"No, treason for making war upon the South, violating the constitutional rtight to secede, blah, blah, blah."

If MtG reads this he'll be a Baptist overnight.

I find it strange the warped paths large groups of people take when they have too much time on their hands. After having recently spent time in an agrarian community that survives hand to mouth from the land and sea, I've come to wonder how we in the industialized world got from there to here. Also I've developed a deep respect for there. In some ways it's simpler, in other ways (for the locals), such as not being able to rely on the next meal being there, it's alot tougher.

I'm really homesick for the place. Maybe for the sense of place...


...maybe for the beer...

	08-04-2005 08:22									#200
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quote: Originally posted by Dr Strangelove Some year I'd like to have the Congress do an April Fool's vote to expel the old Confederate states. I'd love to see how these guys react.

We can't do that it'd wipe out the U.S. military.

	08-04-2005 08:26									#201
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Move all them Texas military bases to California.

	10-04-2005 17:41									#202
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quote: Originally posted by Ben Kenobi The desire's been there for a long time now Lancer. I'm happy here, and I don't think I'm abandoning Christ by becoming Catholic.

Not abandoning, just backsliding.

	10-04-2005 18:04									#203
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quote: Originally posted by Lancer "No, treason for making war upon the South, violating the constitutional rtight to secede, blah, blah, blah." If MtG reads this he'll be a Baptist overnight. I find it strange the warped paths large groups of people take when they have too much time on their hands. After having recently spent time in an agrarian community that survives hand to mouth from the land and sea, I've come to wonder how we in the industialized world got from there to here. Also I've developed a deep respect for there. In some ways it's simpler, in other ways (for the locals), such as not being able to rely on the next meal being there, it's alot tougher. I'm really homesick for the place. Maybe for the sense of place... ...maybe for the beer...

I believe the mock trial was held by the LU school of law. Kinda makes you wonder what's going to happen when these guys get out into the real world and get appointed to judicial positions. I mean it's not like there was any doubt aforehand as to the verdict. They do this mock trial of Lincoln every so often, and the verdict is always the same. Do we need a group of jurists whose idea of fun is running a kangaroo court?

	10-04-2005 18:17									#204
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quote: Originally posted by Lancer It's an odd reality. "Care to guess the verdict?" What were the charges? Was he a Catholic?

I'm sure the Southern Baptists have a whole liturgy of supposed crimes the evil yankee war monger is supposedly guilty off which have been passed down from generation to generation.

Let us not forget that the Southern Baptists broke off from the American Baptist church because the American Baptists had the nerve to say that Slavery was immoral and should be outlawed. The Southern Baptists are the Wahabists of Chrstianity only they blow up family planning clinics instead of fly planes into buildings.

	10-04-2005 20:12									#205
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"I believe the mock trial was held by the LU school of law. Kinda makes you wonder what's going to happen when these guys get out into the real world and get appointed to judicial positions. I mean it's not like there was any doubt aforehand as to the verdict. They do this mock trial of Lincoln every so often, and the verdict is always the same. Do we need a group of jurists whose idea of fun is running a kangaroo court?"-Dr Strangelove


Look at the legal system in this country. When we find someone guilty of a crime he's sentenced to a posh prison with three square meals a day, cable TV, conjugal visits with and weekly money to pay for them. If you're going to try to deter crime in this manner one really needs nutball judges, just to complete the picture.

I wonder where the term 'kangaroo court' came from, and why.

"Let us not forget that the Southern Baptists broke off from the American Baptist church because the American Baptists had the nerve to say that Slavery was immoral and should be outlawed. The Southern Baptists are the Wahabists of Chrstianity only they blow up family planning clinics instead of fly planes into buildings. "-Oerdin

Seems a bit of a broad brush... are there no good southern baptists? Sounds a bit too much like me when I talk about the French to be realistic. Maybe 25 years ago I visited a baptist church in Gainesville Florida with some friends who went there religously. Good folks, not at all racist wackos, just wanted to worship with other believers...

	10-04-2005 22:05									#206
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quote: Originally posted by Lancer "I believe the mock trial was held by the LU school of law. Kinda makes you wonder what's going to happen when these guys get out into the real world and get appointed to judicial positions. I mean it's not like there was any doubt aforehand as to the verdict. They do this mock trial of Lincoln every so often, and the verdict is always the same. Do we need a group of jurists whose idea of fun is running a kangaroo court?"-Dr Strangelove Look at the legal system in this country. When we find someone guilty of a crime he's sentenced to a posh prison with three square meals a day, cable TV, conjugal visits with and weekly money to pay for them. If you're going to try to deter crime in this manner one really needs nutball judges, just to complete the picture. I wonder where the term 'kangaroo court' came from, and why.

So you're saying that we need jurists with some real hard core prejudices to make the legal system in this country work?

Maybe the meaning of the term kangaroo court is that the court "jumps" to a conclusion.

	10-04-2005 22:46									#207
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quote: Last week Liberty Baptist University held a "mock trial" for Abraham Lincoln. Care to guess the verdict?

	11-04-2005 04:57									#208
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Conjugal visits for prisoners I vehemently disapprove of. TV too. Can they at least block everything except court TV and perhaps news?

I'm pretty sure I have ancestors who were Baptists in the south, one that I know of was a preacher. It would be nice if I could think they were good ones, but it doesn't seem likely. I think I have plenty of ancestors who owned slaves, it would be nice if I could delude myself into thinking they all treated them relatively well, but I have no real reason to think that.

I think prejudice against religion is barely less irrational than racism. People choose their religion, at least sometimes. And Race does not tell you so much what to do.

Nobody's perfect, there are honest and sincere people in pretty much all religions, Just about everyone believes some things that are right but also believes in doing some things that are wrong, whether they know it or not.

	11-04-2005 08:39									#209
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quote: ust tell him on the sly that you're really doing undercover work for the Baptists. That usually works. Or, tell him you became a Catholic because the people in your old church were too contentious. He can't argue with that without proving your point.

No, I did something even better.

Scored a point in my favour, since he was in error as to the teachings of the Catholic church.

Told him, he should read up for himself, if he wanted to understand what the church tought rather than listening to me.

	11-04-2005 08:45									#210
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quote: Not abandoning, just backsliding.

blacksliding into Christ?