28-03-2005 06:41									#121
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quote: Originally posted by Heresson Poland isn't that bad, don't be rude.

You made me spill a can of beer all over my keyboard and I'm being rude?

Just make a list of Catholic countries and a list of Protestant countries, check who the most advanced are and then come back to me.

	28-03-2005 06:44									#122
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I'm still pissed off at the Catholic Church for interfering with the last Presidential elections in the United States. Some bastard Catholic Bishop claimed no Catholic should vote for Kerry since Kerry was divorced and his plateform said he would uphold the US law which alowed abortions. That Cathlic spokesman also called upon the excommunication of Kerry for the same reasons as above.

As far as I'm concerned the RCC couldn't get more political then that. They're lucky I'm not in charge because I would have revoked the RCC's nonprofit status (only nonpolitical organizations can legally hold nonprofit status) and then I would have confiscated most of their property when they couldn't pay the massive tax bill. That would teach those damn priests to keep their opinions to themselves.

	28-03-2005 06:55									#123
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quote: Originally posted by Heresson Anglican church is a small insect compared to catholicism [QUOTE] And all the might of the Cathloic world just couldn't do jack cheese to that "small insect" though they tried and tried.

quote: They created the biggest religion in the world, and the countries following it are the most advanced in the world. Loosers.

Have you ever been to Latin America? I wouldn't call them advanced compared to the first world. Even the industrialized parts of Asia are better off then most of Latin America. The most powerful Catholic countries in Europe are France & Italy (with Spain and Poland much further down) while the most powerful Protestant countries in Europe are the UK & Germany ( with secondary powers in Scandinavia & Holland). The US, Canada, Australia, New Zealand, and South Africa were founded by Protestants and still remain very influenced by Protestant ideas.

I'd say Japan and South Korea are at least as advanced as the leading Catholic states and with many of the most powerful countries in the world being Protestant (at least in tradition) it is hard to claim Catholics countries are the most advanced, most developed, or richest.

	28-03-2005 07:23									#124
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quote: What I meant is that after Vatican 2 it looked like the church was gearing up for the 21st century. But with Paul VI and now John Paul II we (well, not me, I left some 20 years ago) are back in the 19th century.

Sorry, for assuming that you actually appreciated the changes of Vatican II.

	28-03-2005 07:27									#125
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quote: I'd say Japan and South Korea are at least as advanced as the leading Catholic states and with many of the most powerful countries in the world being Protestant (at least in tradition)

Canada is technically the leading predominantly Catholic state.

S. Korea has also rather taken to Christianity over the past while.

	28-03-2005 07:59									#126
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France, Italy and Spain are also up there. So 4-8 is pretty good, considering that the others are the UK, US and Germany for the protestant nations.

	28-03-2005 08:08									#127
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FYI, this catholic versus protestant countries argument is excedingly dumb. Germany is as much a catholic country as protestant. The US is about a quarter catholic too. Northern Italy is just as advanced as Germany. Austria is no less advanced than other European countries and is catholic. The most productive country in the world per capita is Luxembourg and is catholic. Ireland is about top of the tables for production per capita. Etc.

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	28-03-2005 08:14									#128
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quote: Originally posted by Comrade Tassadar Well actually, yes it is.

Like in what? There are stuff in which Poland has reasons to be proud of. For example, Poland produces the best amphetamine in the world....

quote: Also, China and India are the upcoming powers that will eclipse your pathetic Christian states

China is a tyrant state. And India, if not for the hindu fanatics, would have a catholic prime minister right now...
Also, do not try to predict future.

quote: Originally posted by Hueij You made me spill a can of beer all over my keyboard and I'm being rude? Just make a list of Catholic countries and a list of Protestant countries, check who the most advanced are and then come back to me.

You and Oerdin seemingly do not distinguish between religions and denominations.
I was talking about Christian countries, not just Catholic ones.

quote: Originally posted by Oerdin I'm still pissed off at the Catholic Church for interfering with the last Presidential elections in the United States. Some bastard Catholic Bishop claimed no Catholic should vote for Kerry since Kerry was divorced and his plateform said he would uphold the US law which alowed abortions. That Cathlic spokesman also called upon the excommunication of Kerry for the same reasons as above. As far as I'm concerned the RCC couldn't get more political then that. They're lucky I'm not in charge because I would have revoked the RCC's nonprofit status (only nonpolitical organizations can legally hold nonprofit status) and then I would have confiscated most of their property when they couldn't pay the massive tax bill. That would teach those damn priests to keep their opinions to themselves.

It was the right stance. Catholics should not vote on people who want to allow murder of innocent children.
It's morality, not pure politics. Voting on someone willing to legalise abortion is like voting in favour of legalising abortion, and catholics should not do it. You're an enemy of religious freedom.

	28-03-2005 08:18									#129
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oh, and Netherlands have today bigger number of catholics than protestants.
Also, Ireland is recently doing very good. It got richer than Britain.

	28-03-2005 08:38									#130
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quote: I'm still pissed off at the Catholic Church for interfering with the last Presidential elections in the United States. Some bastard Catholic Bishop claimed no Catholic should vote for Kerry since Kerry was divorced and his plateform said he would uphold the US law which alowed abortions. That Cathlic spokesman also called upon the excommunication of Kerry for the same reasons as above.

And this changed how many votes? Zero. Apparently, you are pissed off because of something that had no impact on the election.

What was telling was how Kerry responded to it. Kerry looked uncomfortable when any question about his faith came up. Whenever any question of Bush's faith came up, Bush just kept hitting the balls out of the ballpark.

	28-03-2005 11:01									#131
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Christianity on the increase = civilization in decline.

I just wish we'd get rid of the tax breaks the rest of us pay for to fund your babbling and grovelling before a non-existent entity.

	28-03-2005 12:30									#132
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quote: Originally posted by Heresson China is a tyrant state.

A tyrant state that has been putting in billions and billions to improve the livelihood of the poor peasants? That's an interesting tyrant state.

quote: Originally posted by Heresson And India, if not for the hindu fanatics, would have a catholic prime minister right now...

You know nuthin' about India.

quote: Originally posted by Heresson Also, do not try to predict future.

You don't listen to weather forecasts?

	28-03-2005 19:15									#133
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Why can't we all just get along?


Oh, and Canada doesn't count, because it's just a dependency of the United States.

	28-03-2005 19:54									#134
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quote: Originally posted by Urban Ranger A tyrant state that has been putting in billions and billions to improve the livelihood of the poor peasants? That's an interesting tyrant state.

Hezbollah is into charity as well.
China occupies Tibet and fills it with Chineese.
It destroys buddhist temples and makes harm to monks, it persecutes catholics trying to force them to denounce obediance to the pope. Its officials are killing Tibetan children with hammers. It's just declared a will to use force against Taiwan. Cultural Revolution. Square of Heavenly Peace (??), Uygurs, support for Nth Korea,
occupation of part of Kashmir, support for maoist guerillas...

quote: You know nuthin' about India.

Do you say I'm not right and Sonia wasn't supposed to become prime minister?

quote: You don't listen to weather forecasts?

In fact I do not.
If You forecasted weather having some competence in it, I would perhaps believe You. But no-one's able to say anything about political future but rough guesses.

quote: Originally posted by Agathon Christianity on the increase = civilization in decline.

	28-03-2005 21:44									#135
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quote: Originally posted by Agathon Christianity on the increase = civilization in decline. I just wish we'd get rid of the tax breaks the rest of us pay for to fund your babbling and grovelling before a non-existent entity.

It's always fun when the bigots come out to play!

	28-03-2005 23:17									#136
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Especially anti-Christian bigots, like Agathon

	28-03-2005 23:29									#137
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Well, better Catholic than protestant.

Congrats. Now the next step: agnosticism.

	29-03-2005 00:45									#138
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The Nordics are the most socially advanced in Europe. I guess Spain has improved somewhat in the two decades since I was there. I think Austria is a pretty decent country. China and India can't be called upcoming, because of their long history and great past. And does comparing Catholic vs Protestant nations really mean much with so many of these nations so secular?

Are the teachings of Jesus less civilized than the believers of Roman Mythology, for example?

	29-03-2005 00:55									#139
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quote: Originally posted by Heresson You and Oerdin seemingly do not distinguish between religions and denominations. I was talking about Christian countries, not just Catholic ones.

It's not my fault you said Catholic instead of Christian.

	29-03-2005 01:36									#140
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Someone's written:

quote: we all know what a bunch of hopeless screw ups Peter and the apostle were

to which I've replied:

quote: They created the biggest religion in the world, and the countries following it are the most advanced in the world. Loosers.

I've said religion. Christianity is religion, catholicism is a denomination. And there are slightly less catholics than muslims (muslims however are a group of denominations, so it's probably the biggest denomination in the world).
Your mistake.

	29-03-2005 03:27									#141
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All in good spirit Doc Strangelove, all in good spirit.

quote: Oh, and Canada doesn't count, because it's just a dependency of the United States.

Oh, then does that make the Queen the head of your state?

	29-03-2005 03:33									#142
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quote: I just wish we'd get rid of the tax breaks the rest of us pay for to fund your babbling and grovelling before a non-existent entity.

The reason for them, is because without this, much of the work that the church does would not be able to happen.

Go ahead, ignore every single charity set up to help alleviate the things that the government would just prefer to throw money at.

	29-03-2005 03:42									#143
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why did you convert again?

	29-03-2005 03:47									#144
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What, you don't believe Oerdin?

	29-03-2005 03:56									#145
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In heaven, everybody becomes catholic.

	29-03-2005 03:58									#146
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quote: Originally posted by Alexander's Horse In heaven, everybody becomes catholic.

Why would they need to become catholics?
Only catholics go to Heaven!

	29-03-2005 04:25									#147
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Catholics: leading the Western world in infant production. They own that industry.

As for the Kerry thing, considering the way Kerry paraded his faith as a selling point to middle America, it's only fair to allow some portions of the church to retort.

	29-03-2005 04:27									#148
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quote: Originally posted by Ben Kenobi What, you don't believe Oerdin?

id really like to know why.

	29-03-2005 04:33									#149
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I posted some of that already to Spiffor, who asked how my beliefs had changed over time.

I converted when I could say that my beliefs were in line with the teachings of the Catholic church, and not those of the Mennonite church.

	29-03-2005 05:09									#150
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quote: Originally posted by Ben Kenobi Oh, then does that make the Queen the head of your state?

It makes her our lap dog, just like the rest of her countrymen.