30-03-2005 13:12									#31
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quote: Originally posted by notyoueither According to UR, the secret we've all been missing is the obscure art of the 'karate chop'.

Vulcan Nerve Pinch

	30-03-2005 13:15									#32
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no. they should be designed to incapacitate the 'enemy'

but then again, good old fashionned christian vengance suits you ey ?

	30-03-2005 13:17									#33
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Hey, UR, how humane is a 9mm fired at the chest?

	30-03-2005 13:18									#34
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quote: Originally posted by Agathon I'd love to see the NZ pigs try that. They be the laughing stock of the South Pacific.

NZ already is the laughing stock of the south Pacific.

	30-03-2005 13:18									#35
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Don't you think that would hurt?

	30-03-2005 13:38									#36
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i think the fact that the three people who have spoken up in favour of this are aggie, che and ur tells you everything you need to know...

	30-03-2005 13:44									#37
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Yes, the posters with style and brains support it.

You peons can go back about your trivial peon business.

	30-03-2005 13:48									#38
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Never mind.

	30-03-2005 14:40									#39
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quote: Originally posted by Agathon Read the Goddamn report you cretins. Most of the points made come directly from the US media which the Chinese have helpfully cited. That's why it's funny: most of what they claim was cobbled together by your own MSM. It's not my idea Imran. "Let him who is without sin... " is classic red-stater fare.

Read it three years ago, as they do it everytime a Humane report is issued against. It's typical Chinese diversionary tactics. China's greatest fear is the truth.

How many Chinese abuses can you cite that you read outside of the US report? Everything in the report they wrote about America is already well known. Hell, even America's own media makes it available. It's all certainly been highlighted in other countries' medias. Meanwhile, China tries desperately to conceal it's abuses. And when they are pointed out, the typical response is, "Look at what the US is doing. Or other countries did it, why can't we?" Foreigners (here and abroad) biggest complaint about China's English news channel is often, "Where's the bad news?" The affect of this is obvious to those who have spent a significant amount time here. Those who only know about China through its propoganda machine have a very different view of it than those who have lived here. Then there's simply the matter of scale.

I support the US document as a means of getting this information out. Otherwise, it will be hidden away, and the plights of those people who suffered will be lost forever with know ever knowing. Sad that there are those who would simply ignore them.

	30-03-2005 19:53									#40
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Pretty good report. Sure it's propaganda, but it's all true.

Exposing hypocrisy

	30-03-2005 20:01									#41
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quote: Originally posted by notyoueither Hey, UR, how humane is a 9mm fired at the chest?

Actually, the Chinese use a 9mm fired at the back of the head.

	30-03-2005 20:09									#42
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Personally I'd liken it more to a dove-grey pot and a pitch-black kettle. The pot may not be snowy white (and in fact has become significantly darker of late), however in terms of human rights there is still no serious comparison.

	30-03-2005 20:55									#43
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Laugh if you like, but I don't really find it funny efforts by totalitarian regimes to distract people from their own situation, one in China in which there is no democracy, no freedom of the press, no freedom of religion, no fair court system, persecution of ethnic minorities, an extreme anti-labor government, etc.

	30-03-2005 20:59									#44
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Shi: Given the posting habits of UR and the like here, are you really suprised that people (che, kid, and aggie) would engage in a bit of "Look at what the US is doing!" no matter how sad it makes them look?

	30-03-2005 22:39									#45
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The reactions in this thread are pretty funny.

Generally speaking, the right-wingers (especially Shi) complain when a "look at country X doing something bad" thread degenerates into US-bashing.

And they're precisely the same ones who turn that "look at the US doing something bad" into a China-bashing

	30-03-2005 23:21									#46
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quote: Originally posted by DaShi Everything in the report they wrote about America is already well known. Hell, even America's own media makes it available.

But no one in the MSM puts it all together. Sure, we socialists do, but you never listen to us, even when facts prove us correct (as they always do).

As for TASERs, the fact that they hurt isn't why police use them. They are exceedingly effective at putting someone under control, and the police use them frequenly in situations where it isn't necessary immediately or where a suspect might have been talked down. A number of people have died as a result of TASERing, but if I had a choice between being TASERed, clubbed, or shot, I'll go for TASERing. Of course, I'm not gonna fcuk with the police, so hopefully they won't TASER me before they ask me to comply.

	30-03-2005 23:24									#47
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quote: Originally posted by DinoDoc Shi: Given the posting habits of UR and the like here, are you really suprised that people (che, kid, and aggie) would engage in a bit of "Look at what the US is doing!" no matter how sad it makes them look?

Because this thead isn't about China's HR record. Only UR tries to defend China, and given that he's in China, which has a nightmarish HR record, it's unconscionable of you to try and get him to put his life at risk agreeing with you.

	30-03-2005 23:31									#48
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quote: Originally posted by chegitz guevara Only UR tries to defend China, and given that he's in China, which has a nightmarish HR record, it's unconscionable of you to try and get him to put his life at risk agreeing with you.

* DinoDoc points to mindseye

	30-03-2005 23:32									#49
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As an American, he has a bit more leeway than a Chinese citizen.

	31-03-2005 01:02									#50
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quote: Originally posted by Shi Huangdi Laugh if you like, but I don't really find it funny efforts by totalitarian regimes to distract people from their own situation, one in China in which there is no democracy, no freedom of the press, no freedom of religion, no fair court system, persecution of ethnic minorities, an extreme anti-labor government, etc.

Is it funny when the US does it?

	31-03-2005 02:03									#51
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This is really hillarious.

	31-03-2005 02:37									#52
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quote: On Jul. 21, 2004 Chinese citizen Zhao Yan was handcuffed and severely beaten while she was in the United States on a normal business trip. She suffered injuries in many parts of her body and serious mental harm.

I can't find a reference to this. OTOH, I can find references to China's imprisonment of a male Zhao Yan. He is being held for prematurely reporting the retirement of Jiang Zemin.

quote: Sexual harassment and encroachment are common in jails in the Unite States. The New York Times reported last October that at least 13 percent of inmates in the country are sexually assaulted in prison (Ex-Inmate's Suit Offers View Into Sexual Slavery in Prisons, The New York Times, Oct. 12, 2004). In jails of seven central and western US states, 21 percent of the inmates suffer sexual abuse at least once after being put in prison. The ratio is higher among women inmates, with nearly one fourth of them sexually assaulted by jail guards.

Ugh. Seriously, Americans, ugh.

If Airplane came out today, the pilot would have asked the little boy if he had ever been in an American prison.

	31-03-2005 03:18									#53
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quote: Originally posted by Kidicious Is it funny when the US does it?

Has the US distracted or prevented the 'free media' from bringing these issues to light (ad nauseum in many cases)?