30-03-2005 04:59									#1
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ok, what files do I need to transfer to make a Hard drive bootable?

No floppy drive but I do have a different harddrive connected.
(well, it's not for me but..)

The new drive should go to a different PC and then an OS will be installed(no floppy either)

So basically I need to be able to acces the CD-rom

And no, no bootable cd's either.

Any idea's?

	30-03-2005 05:06									#2
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Alva, is there something your not telling us? Unless your OS is dodgy there shouldn't be a problem.....

	30-03-2005 05:13									#3
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Let me get this straight: you want to install an OS on a computer that has neither a floppy drive nor a bootable CD? Well, you might want to equip your computer then

	30-03-2005 05:21									#4
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He needs either a bootable pen drive, or a dodgy .exe of windows.

Just uzip the .exe from one HD to the other and way you go.

	30-03-2005 05:22									#5
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Well, I'm trying to guide someone using MSN.

She has no floppy drive and was unsuccesfully trying to install an OS onto the second drive (doesn't let specify a folder, she using win2000 and trying to install XP but apparantly it only wants to upgrade).

She does have '98 laying about, so I was thing of installing that one and then upgrading to XP, however without the floppy drive...
That's why I need to get some files onto the new drive so she can do the install from DOS.

quote: Let me get this straight: you want to install an OS on a computer that has neither a floppy drive nor a bootable CD? Well, you might want to equip your computer then

I meant the cd's themselves, smartass

	30-03-2005 05:25									#6
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she? oh lord... good luck

	30-03-2005 05:29									#7
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Yeah, that's why I didn't mention it in the OP.

Nah, she's not stupid and does know something about PC's.

	30-03-2005 05:35									#8
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So whats the problem with the bootable CD/OS, which is it anyway?

	30-03-2005 05:37									#9
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You don't need bootable CDs if you install WinXP from a Win98 installation. You don't need boot disks either. Just start the XP installation under the old Win98, and the XP installation will take care of itself

(if, unlike me, you have a CD that works properly )

	30-03-2005 05:39									#10
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Thats what I thought, I can't see the problem

	30-03-2005 05:40									#11
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I know that, the problem is installing '98

Dammit, so long ago I did this that I really can't remember.
You do get a prompt on a clean formatted HD right ?

	30-03-2005 05:45									#12
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yep

c:


Can't she format the new HD, take out the other HD and then install XP from CD?

	30-03-2005 05:48									#13
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No, not a bootable CD

	30-03-2005 05:50									#14
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unless you start manually copying files(win 32 folder?), you can't install xp from DOS

	30-03-2005 05:50									#15
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Only if you wrote "format c: /s" IIRC (/s stands for "system files"). But it only works if you do so from a DOS/98 prompt.

	30-03-2005 05:51									#16
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That's after using a start-up diskette, no?

	30-03-2005 05:51									#17
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Or maybe try to copy a 98 boot disk on her harddrive. with any luck, it could become a bootable drive.

	30-03-2005 05:53									#18
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Alva:
I'm not sure of something: Can you copy things on your friend's HD? I mean, is your friend's HD currently a sitting duck in your comp?

	30-03-2005 05:55									#19
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Does she have an executeable XP OS? (ie copied)

If so, format the new HD (from the existing one) extract and install the OS to the new drive, then set BIOS/the drive jumpers to boot from that HD

	30-03-2005 05:56									#20
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The hd is not even in my pc.

man, this is a pain to do through msn...

* alva crosses of working for a help-desk

	30-03-2005 06:01									#21
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For the sake of clarity, I'd like to tell what I understand of the situation

1. You are trying to explain something to her through MSN, and you don't have any relevant hardware at hand.
2. She wants to install WinXP on a HD that is currently secondary on her computer, but which will become primary on another comp.
3. The HD in question is empty and non bootable
4. The next PC won't have any disk drive, and your CD is non-bootable.

Is this all true?

	30-03-2005 06:07									#22
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My take on it is that Alva's gone on the pull on MSN masked as a computer programmer and been found out by a chick with a problem

	30-03-2005 06:32									#23
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quote: Originally posted by Spiffor For the sake of clarity, I'd like to tell what I understand of the situation

quote: 1. You are trying to explain something to her through MSN, and you don't have any relevant hardware at hand.

True

quote: 2. She wants to install WinXP on a HD that is currently secondary on her computer, but which will become primary on another comp.

true

quote: 3. The HD in question is empty and non bootable

It's just formatted, nothing on it

quote: 4. The next PC won't have any disk drive, and your CD is non-bootable.

neither have a floppy drive and nothing to do with my CD, it's the OS cd's themselves that are not bootable ( non originals )

quote: Is this all true?

quote: My take on it is that Alva's gone on the pull on MSN masked as a computer programmer and been found out by a chick with a problem

Well, I'm a programmer to be, not a technician

	30-03-2005 06:48									#24
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Theres away to make a CD bootable using Nero if you just have the XP files (as in a copy of XP not just XP on a drive) on a HD, would this bean use to you? If it isn't then I've totally missed the point anyway...;O)

	30-03-2005 06:50									#25
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I'm gonna leave it 'til tomorrow, she went to bed anyway.

Thanks for trying though

Making an CD bootable never worked for me btw, I burned and wasted countless of cd's trying.

Last edited by alva on 30-03-2005 at 06:58

	30-03-2005 06:55									#26
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I've tried it twice and it worked the second time, and I know sod all about CD burning so it is doable.

	30-03-2005 18:50									#27
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Are you sure the CD's aren't bootable? Maybe the drive simply isn't in the boot-up sequence.

	31-03-2005 03:22									#28
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If you don't have a bootable cd then beg/borrow/steal/buy (in that order ) a floppy drive, and make a boot disk. There's no other way I can see.

	31-03-2005 10:29									#29
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quote: Originally posted by alva She has no floppy drive and was unsuccesfully trying to install an OS onto the second drive (doesn't let specify a folder, she using win2000 and trying to install XP but apparantly it only wants to upgrade).

You should be able to boot from the XP CD, then just exit the setup process. Then just delete the files in \windows.

	31-03-2005 11:07									#30
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Never mind, we got it all working (execpt that her boot now ask her to choice between OS's while there is nothing to choose between, doesn't matter)

Thanks all