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Maniac
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Gent, Belgium
Jul 1999
time: 06:21
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Midturn Battle Report MY 2165
Diplomacy
- We voted for Lal for governor. He won the election.
- The University switched research to Cyberethics.
Economy & Research
- We switched research to Cyberethics as well. Other choices were Centauri Empathy, Advanced Subatomic Theory, Adaptive Doctrine.
- The Citizen's Defence Force founded in Sparta Command.
- B-4 baptized in Olympus Academy.
- Vladivostok completes supply crawler.
- Iaci Base: production set to a CDF (citizen defence force) police unit, so we can send out our hoplite to hunt for the spore launcher (no idea where it is though
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- Production in Argos and Tegea Harbour switched to CDFs to allow easier upgrading and worm hunting in Arcadia.
- Fort Soup: IH crawler cashed in and switched to Aerospace Complex using the Maniac Manoeuvre.
- GH worker switched from forest (1-2-1) to new river forest (1-2-2), giving us an extra credit.
Navy
- The Disco Volante popped the unity pod and it turned out it was a sonar pod revealing the surrounding waters. They saw yet another unity pod N-NW-NW of their location at that time, so decided to pop that one first before going after the other two more in the east. We got 100 credits.
 The probe ended its turn right next to a next pod to pop next year.
- SCC Invincible enters the Straits of Sorrow. (Name for the Hive-Gaian narrows, since so many Hivean and Gaian units have been killed here over the past decades?)
- SNC aarvak drops off the fungal gin freight at the eastern tip of our home continent. How do we call that btw?? Peloponnesos or so?
Air Force
- B-6 that destroyed the Hive flagship lands at SC3 and rehomes, freeing its previous home base SC2 from support.
- The B-6 in Gagarin Memorial flies out to bombard Argi Narnia, killing a plasma sentinels, a probe team AND reducing the base's population from 3 to 2.
 Bad news is the B-6 is rather damaged though: 70% damaged. In risk of destruction in other words if the Corporation self-destruct a missile infantry nearby.
Engineering Corps
- Tile between SC3 and SC4 (52.18) suffers a drought due to overforestation: now arid.
- Mine constructed near Río Grande.
- Forest planted near Gythium Harbour.
- Tomcat-OA2: build road
- Tomcat-OA1: moved a tile SW to build road on the monolith, to make troop upgrades easier
- Tomcat-VV: moved a tile NW to build a road on that monolith - same reason as above
Crawlers
- New VV crawler moved to (63,15) to harvest minerals.
- Fungal gin freight moved to VV, rehomed it and harvests two nuts a tile to the north. Can proceed to work the mine near SC1 next year, and from there on to the new mine near Minas Tirith.
The morale upgrade program
- Moved the commando CDF in FS to the Fort Liberty monolith.However the monolith was silent: apparently it was already upgraded sometime.
 In any case, replaced the garrison by the last year upgraded elite hoplite on the Liberty monolith.
- Proceed with the MSN hoplite, two MT infantrists, hoplite east of SC4, all to the Olympian monolith.
- Hardened hoplite moves into VV, commando hoplite moves out for an upgrade.
- Hoplite in SC2 upgrades at the Olympian monolith.
- Switch hoplites between FB and SC4.
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Googlie
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Commanding Officer, CRYPTEIA
Apr 1999
time: 21:21
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We can move the elite missile rover out of MT and take out one of that Hive stack (the others will sustain collateral damage), then move the missile infantryman intoi that tile and take out another causing yet more collateral damage to the survivors. Now move that B-4 over them for cover and with its final mp take out another in the stack. Next turn the missile rover and infantryman can take out the remaining 2 before retreating back into base while the B-4 currently in Olympus Academy moves to MT and can provide CAP next turn as well as attacking that lone Hive Impact rover adjacent to the stack
This has the added advantage of blocking any advance towards MT thru the fungus
Last edited by Googlie on 03-04-2005 at 07:27
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Maniac
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Gent, Belgium
Jul 1999
time: 06:21
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quote:
Originally posted by Googlie
Some thoughts on looking at the save - re rushes:- 6 ec's at Ironholm will have the first 2 rows of that crawler completed next turn, leaving an easy rush again for 1 turn completion
- 13 does the same at Citadel
- I make it 15 ec's to complete the missile arty unit at MT next turn (or do we suffer a suspension of current minerals' production during an arty attack?)
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AFAIK for IH & SC2 it would be cheaper to hurry in one go next year (when more minerals have been accumulated, reducing the cost per mineral) than a bit this year and a bit next year. Especially for SC2 since the first ten minerals haven't been accumulated yet.
(Haven't calculated it precisely though - just a hunch  )
As for MT, I was indeed thinking to hurry fully in case that artillery shells our terraformation. Ok, or hurry only just enough?
quote:
Originally posted by Googlie
Why not let the R-112 heal while sailing to Huddling of the People Bay, and upgrade it to amphimissile status (70 ec's). Then next turn capture that base (the Ogre can land from a ship into the base after R-112 has cleared it)
Then we can gift it to Zak, who is Treatied with Yang (or, on the assumption that Yang calls us up to demand the base be returned, get a truce from him in exchange, and maybe persuade him to side with us against Morgan)
This has another huge advantage - the Ogre gets returned to our nearest base - in thiis case, MT, and can then deploy to use its +2 POLICE status in a needed base |
While I initially liked this plan, after giving it some further thought, I detected some possible worries.
First some facts. AFAIK R-112 could repair 10% next turn. This means a 8.25 rover with 70% health would face a 4.37 garrison (perimeter, sensor). According to Snoddasmannen's combat simulator, chance for victory would be exactly 75%. Sufficient?
Also according to my experience, your units don't always teleport back to your nearest base when you give away a base. Sometimes the units in the base and IIRC even next to the base also transfer over to the other faction. And I don't know what causes this. So who knows we could lose our Ogre this way.
Also giving the University a former Hive base on the south side of the Hive would make them much more vulnerable for infiltration and tech theft by the Angels and Gaians.
Especially this last argument would make me vote against the plan to conquer Huddling of the People. I'd prefer your previous plan: R-112 & Ymir board the Heimdall which sails stante pede back home (or I wouldn't mind the R-112 staying around to harrass the Gaians), and the Pegasus sails back then to go pop that unity pod we left alone.
If we want to capture a Hive base to give it to Zak or get a truce with Yang, we'd better go for one of those bases closer to us in my personal opinion.
Some hurry orders and what to do with our Gaian taskforce are the only things left doing before we can forward this turn.
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Googlie
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Commanding Officer, CRYPTEIA
Apr 1999
time: 21:21
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In the sims I ran, upgrading to missile every time takes out the Hive defender, and every time I enter with the Ogre, then cede the base back to Yang, he signs a truce and we get the Ogre back in MT (and that's with the R-112 at 40% damaged - ie, I set up the units for this turn, and executed every time)
If we capture the base and want to give it to the Gaians, we need then to immediately vacate it for them to enter, but the Hive has oodles of units around it so they would just retake it themselves. In PBEM's there's no way to gift a base to another human player.
I think 75 % odds in favour of taking the base are worth it, esp if we can then use its return to buy peace with Yang for a few turns while we concentrate on Morgan (we do get a lecture on running fundy, so I imagine he'll gear up for a sneak attack somewhere). Oh, and in the sims I got the R-112 upgraded to Elite in 4 of 5 of the runs
We can then board the 2 rovers onto the Heimdall and do some serious harrassing of the Gaians, leaving the pegasus to run some marine podpops
So I'd be in favour of the taking - and ceding back to Yang - of Huddling of the People
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wuy3
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hehe thx
but I noticed somethings wrong with your quote:
"To the meaningless Gaian idealisms of Peace, Harmony, and Empathy, we [who] oppose the Spartan realisms of Infantry, Cavalry, and Artillery."
the we part doesnt make too much sense, but its a quote so maybe he wrote it wrong and thats the inside joke?
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Maniac
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Gent, Belgium
Jul 1999
time: 06:21
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I don't understand what's wrong with the we. 
We / oppose / the Spartans realisms... / to / the Gaian idealisms...
For the record, the quote is a modification of:
To the meaningless French idealisms of Liberty, Equality, and Fraternity, we oppose the German realisms of Infantry, Cavalry, and Artillery
- Prince Bernhard von Bulow, German Chancellor
Which reminds me, since we're in a peace conference with the Gaians, perhaps it's time again to switch to another quote of my collection.
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wuy3
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sorry I was studying for finals that day... my brain must've been fried.
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to 2 Nuts Strand former (only 6 if we moved the worker from the nut tile to a mineral tile for 1 turn)
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