30-03-2005 18:48									#1
	"Thumbs Up" gesture considered obscene in Iraq? Support Apolyton, buy Galactic Civilizations

Just read an article about the "Iraq Culture Smart Cards" for US soldiers serving in Iraq. They provide some basic info about the country, language help, general rules for behaviour etc.

One of the cards says "don't make the "OK" or "thumbs up" signs; they are considered obscene"

Has somebody an idea why they think that?

	30-03-2005 18:51									#2
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JM

	30-03-2005 19:08									#3
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My guess is that it refers to insertion of object into the rectal orifice.

	30-03-2005 19:08									#4
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I suppose it's just the way things are. Like in UK two fingers extended is considered an obscenity while in America it's not. We use the middle finger instead

Letter 't' in American Sign Language is considered obscene in many countries.

It's just that way.

	30-03-2005 19:35									#6
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Different cultural meanings of gestures like these sometimes make for subtle ways of expressing an opinion.

Like the time during the memorial service for President Reagan, when Pres. G. W. Bush was making his eulogy in the cathedral. Among all the dignitaries I noticed a man dressed in traditional Arab clothing, the sari or whatever it's called, seated at the aisle, who had his legs crossed so that his right foot rested on his left knee, thereby the whole time displaying his foot sole to the President as he spoke. A traditional Arab gesture of contempt as I'm led to understand. I thought it was in very poor taste during a memorial service, but quite clever nonetheless, as to most onlookers it would appear as just another way of seating oneself.

	30-03-2005 20:25									#7
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So all those Iraqis welcoming the US soldiers by waving, smiling and giving the OK or thumbs up actually meant "**** off you ****ing *******s".

	30-03-2005 20:59									#8
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Well, it was fairly well known by then. I distinctly remember MtG telling us about it. The ostentation of the thumbs-up was a bit "strange", don't you think?

	30-03-2005 21:06									#9
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quote: Originally posted by Mercator So all those Iraqis welcoming the US soldiers by waving, smiling and giving the OK or thumbs up actually meant "**** off you ****ing *******s".

Nope. This was explained at great length at the time - while the gesture had different meaning in THEIR culture, they knew what it meant in OUR culture. The problem wasnt the folks giving the thumbs up sign,it was their neighbors staying inside sullen.

	30-03-2005 21:56									#10
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I'm sure it tickled them to no end to be telling us to **** off at the same time as they were saying thanks.

	30-03-2005 23:56									#12
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Everyone in Iraq knows the western meaning for the thumbs up while traditionally in Arab countries the thumbs up means "up your ass". You can pretty much tell which meaning people are trying to convey through their body language. Now days if an Iraqi wants to show someone he's pissed off he'll flip them the bird and only the really old people still use thumbs up as an insult.

	31-03-2005 01:57									#13
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how about we give the middle finger instead.

	31-03-2005 03:21									#14
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quote: Originally posted by chegitz guevara I'm sure it tickled them to no end to be telling us to **** off at the same time as they were saying thanks.

It's like the thrill one can get when discussing canines which just happen to be female in English (or Russian, for that matter).^-^

	31-03-2005 03:37									#15
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quote: Originally posted by Barinthus I suppose it's just the way things are. Like in UK two fingers extended is considered an obscenity while in America it's not. We use the middle finger instead

The two fingers is more a taunt than an obscenity.

	31-03-2005 10:39									#16
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quote: Originally posted by General Ludd

Those are the new I'd Hit It guys!!!!

	31-03-2005 11:25									#17
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I'd Hit it!