31-03-2005 21:09									#151
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quote: Originally posted by Asher Less than 3 years actually with a bear population of 5,000 (most of which are not near humans, so the number of polar bears near civilization are substantially less), look at the article date.

But still, 1 attack in three years is not Actively hunting humans. Come on.


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The only Canadians who give a **** about the poor cutesy little seals are Spec, St Leo and Ludd (2 of them usual suspects for any bleeding heart issue)

To be fair, the Americans are pretty open-minded

Only Diss can't take it...

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quote: Originally posted by The Mad Monk Decade and a half? That report was from 1993.

Same answer, 1 attack in 3 years is not ACTIVELY HUNTING HUMANS.

Obviously.

Last resort only, and it happenned only 1 time in 3 years.

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Ok, three years... the point remains that they wheren't there seeking human flesh, and that the reported attacks are far too infrequent for a species that is supposedly "actively hunting" humans.

	31-03-2005 21:12									#155
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quote: Originally posted by Spec But still, 1 attack in three years is not Actively hunting humans. Come on. Spec.

The only people repeatedly using the phrase "actively hunting humans" are you and the vegetarian high-school dropout.

Polar Bears attack humans at an alarmingly high rate when you look at how devastating these attacks are, and how infrequent direct human contact actually is. They are omnivores...they don't directly go after humans, but they do.

It doesn't matter if they "actively hunt" them or not, they do hunt them and they do kill them, for whatever the reason. They are notoriously dangerous and a real threat in the arctic.

I really doubt you wouldn't be nervous or scared if you were confronted by a polar bear. I can guarantee you, the last thing on your mind is "they are not actively hunting me!"

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quote: Originally posted by KrazyHorse The only Canadians who give a **** about the poor cutesy little seals are Spec, St Leo and Ludd (2 of them usual suspects for any bleeding heart issue) To be fair, the Americans are pretty open-minded Only Diss can't take it...

And do they use the meat or do they kill them just for the skin?
It's not because there cute, it's the waist. Just like killing sharks just for the fins....wtf.
The reason I dont care so much for cows is that we almost use 100% of them, not just skin or ears. See my point.


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quote: Originally posted by Asher The only people repeatedly using the phrase "actively hunting humans" are you and the vegetarian high-school dropout.

Dude if you would pull your head out of your ass you would see that this argument started with Mad Monk when he said

quote: Originally posted by The Mad Monk You realize that polar bears are one of the few species that actively regards us as food, right?

So no, they dont. That's how it started.

Say what you will, we are not good for their diet and we are a lot harder to catch. If someone is eaten by a polar bear he was just at the wrong place at the wrong time.

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Have you actually been paying attention? The hunters eat the meat and sell the oil.

I wouldn't mind trying it, myself.

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quote: Originally posted by Asher I really doubt you wouldn't be nervous or scared if you were confronted by a polar bear. I can guarantee you, the last thing on your mind is "they are not actively hunting me!"

Dude, I'd be scared shitless, as much as if I met a lion or a tiger in the wild.

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quote: Originally posted by KrazyHorse "Canadian Jingos"

We're number 1!! We're number 1!!

Got the Canadian character in one.

	31-03-2005 21:22									#161
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quote: Originally posted by The Mad Monk Have you actually been paying attention? The hunters eat the meat and sell the oil. I wouldn't mind trying it, myself.

I was asking, I didn't know.

Come to think of it, how can less than 1000 hunters eat as much as 1000000 seals by them selfs with their family? And why do I still see body with spines in those pics?

Spec.

	31-03-2005 21:24									#162
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quote: Originally posted by Spec I was asking, I didn't know. Come to think of it, how can less than 1000 hunters eat as much as 1000000 seals by them selfs with their family? And why do I still see body with spines in those pics? Spec.

They sell it to the community and abroad, they don't eat it all themselves.

And what makes you think they're "done" with the bodies in those pics.

	31-03-2005 21:27									#163
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Curious question: Has anyone here actually eaten seal meat?

	31-03-2005 21:28									#164
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They look done here




But then again, I'm no expert seal hunter. I guess I'l just ask any montrealer.

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	31-03-2005 21:29									#165
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quote: Originally posted by Wezil Curious question: Has anyone here actually eaten seal meat?

Yea what does it taste like?


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	31-03-2005 21:31									#166
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I don't think they're done in that picture. The seal in the foreground looks a tad too healthy yet.

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Asher, a lot is thrown away, c'mon mate, don't be naive.

quote: They are notoriously dangerous and a real threat in the arctic.

Exactly what are people doing there? Is that the only place to start fishing, not realy heaven on earth, is it?

	31-03-2005 22:06									#168
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quote: Originally posted by KrazyHorse The only Canadians who give a **** about the poor cutesy little seals are Spec, St Leo and Ludd (2 of them usual suspects for any bleeding heart issue)

Eh? I didn't say a word against the clubbing. Bug off.

	31-03-2005 22:14									#169
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quote: Originally posted by Spec And do they use the meat or do they kill them just for the skin? It's not because there cute, it's the waist. Just like killing sharks just for the fins.... Spec.

The sealing industry uses every part of the animal they can find a market for. Hell the anti-sealers make a lot of the fact that there is a market for seal penises in asia.

	31-03-2005 22:16									#170
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quote: Originally posted by Wezil Curious question: Has anyone here actually eaten seal meat?

Yes I didn't like it much myself but my grandfather loved the stuff especially when my grandmother baked it inside a pastry

	31-03-2005 22:24									#171
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quote: Originally posted by Spec Yea what does it taste like? Spec.

The stuff I remember was a darker meat that was pretty oily. It had a lot of flavor but not a flavor I enjoyed.

There are many people that do enjoy seal meat though . . . and when they can, all parts of the animal are used, for things like fertilizer or animal feeds.

Pelts and meats have value and I think there are uses for seal oil as well

quote: The Canadian Sealers Association was formed in November 1982, when some animal rights groups were publicizing negative comments against the sealing industry. A group of sealers decided they were not about to let the animal welfare/animal rights movement take away from their rights and their heritage. The association had its founding meeting in Baie Verte and consists of a board of 14 directors. They had a Constitution, and the 14 members at the time were sealers. The association was designed to speak on behalf of the sealers primarily in Newfoundland, the Quebec North Shore and the Magdalene Islands, and at first was to develop an educational and public awareness campaign to counter act the animal rights groups. As the association has frown, the primary objective of the CSA and the whole industry is the full utilization of each animal harvested. With funding from the government of Canada the CSA is involved in scientific research of stocks, improved harvesting, management of the resource, research, development of the products and markets like seal oil capsules. Also, protecting the future of the herd’s and industry, provide safety information, training courses and creating some jobs for Newfoundlander’s.

But the anti-sealers wouldn't care about mundane things like facts and the truth

	31-03-2005 23:28									#172
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quote: Originally posted by General Ludd But you'll still eat it. No hunter, just an innocent consumer.

Yep.

ACK!

	01-04-2005 14:03									#173
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Sealers must be an endangered species. Humans are not allowed to get closer than half a mile or so.

http://www.ctv.ca/servlet/ArticleNe...0_5/?hub=Canada

quote: Seal hunt protesters arrested on Gulf ice floes Canadian Press CHARLOTTETOWN — Hostility between sealers and seal hunt protesters turned to violence Thursday as a scuffle led to several arrests on the ice floes in the Gulf of St. Lawrence. Animal rights activist Paul Watson, captain of the protest ship Farley Mowat, said 11 members of his crew were taken into custody by the RCMP after they attempted to photograph sealers taking part in the annual hunt near the Magdalen Islands. Watson, head of the Sea Shepherd Conservation Society, said he witnessed one of the crew members from his ship being attacked by a sealer. "One of my crew, Jonny Vasic, who is from Los Angeles was attacked by one of the sealers, smashed in the face and injured,'' Watson said in an interview from his ship via cellphone. "They broke his camera. I immediately called the coast guard and asked the RCMP to charge the sealer with assault. They responded by sending a helicopter to arrest Jonny Vasic.'' Sgt. Dave Thibault, spokesman for the RCMP, confirmed police are investigating the allegations but no arrests have been made. He said it would take several days to interview witnesses. The sealer involved in the scuffle said he was just defending himself. "I had sealers on the ice and they interfered with my sealers,'' Rendell Genge, captain of the Brady Mariner, said in an interview via ship-to-shore radio. "I called (Fisheries officials) and told them I was taking appropriate action to defend my men ... I'm the captain and I hit one guy with ... my fist to defend myself.'' Genge, from Anchor Point, Nfld., said he had not choice. "Four men came at me. I fell down and when I got up I was underneath, and the only alternative I had was to defend myself ... I just gave him one punch. I wasn't hitting anymore ... They had 15 to 20 men on the ice and there were only eight of us.'' Watson later issued a statement confirming 19 members of his crew approached the sealing vessel. But he said they remained one half nautical mile away, as required by regulations under the federal Fisheries Act. However, the statement went on to suggest sealers from Genge's vessel had punched and clubbed six of his crew members. Michel Therien, a spokesman for the Fisheries Department, said three members of the Farley Mowat crew were arrested by Fisheries officers for allegedly violating the regulations that prohibit protesters from getting too close to sealing vessels. Therien said more arrests were possible. "Three members of the crew of the Farley Mowat have been arrested and charged with being less than half a nautical mile from seal hunt operations,'' Therien said. "These individuals have been taken into custody to Charlottetown.'' Watson's group and several other animal protection organizations are monitoring the annual slaughter in a bid to re-ignite international opposition. Sealers in the Gulf have a catch limit of 90,000 seals, but bad weather has hampered the hunt this year. During the first three days of the hunt, just over 34,000 seals have been killed. Many of the mostly small fishing vessels taking part in the hunt headed for port on Thursday due to high winds and heavy seas. So far, two boats have been lost, both requiring dramatic and dangerous rescues. On Tuesday, nine sealers were rescued from the floes by the Canadian Coast Guard ship Edward Cornwallis. On Wednesday, five fishermen were plucked from the water by a Cormorant helicopter off the coast of Prince Edward Island. Watson said the Canadian government should call off the hunt before someone is seriously hurt or killed. Rebecca Aldworth, a Montreal-based director of the Humane Society of the United States, was on her way to the airport to board a helicopter when she heard of the incident involving the Farley Mowat. She said it's infuriating that opponents of the hunt are arrested when violence occurs on the ice floes. "When sealers show aggression to observers the law weighs in on their side rather than protecting the people who are observing,'' she said. She said the incident won't discourage her from observing the hunt. "We are there to film and document. We plan to approach up to 10 metres from sealers and document the ways that they're killing seal pups,'' she said. "This is a challenging environment to operate in. Every year we face aggression from sealers. They clearly don't like us filming them.'' About 70 boats were involved at the start of the hunt. But by Thursday, only about 30 were still out, battling the elements. More hunters will descend on the ice floes off the north coast of Newfoundland on April 12. This spring marks the last season for a three-year federal plan that allowed sealers to harvest a total of 975,000 seals. The total allowable catch remaining for 2005 is nearly 320,000. With the harp seal population estimated at more than five million, Fisheries officials say the hunt is a humane, sustainable enterprise for thousands of fishermen in Quebec and Atlantic Canada. Watson and other animal rights activists describe the hunt as barbaric.

Yeah? Well we describe as barbaric the treatment of Newfoundland wildlife (male fishermen) by neer-do-wells who wouldn't know an honest days work if it clubbed them with a hakapik.

	01-04-2005 14:05									#174
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Clubbing animal rights activists

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quote: Originally posted by notyoueither Sealers must be an endangered species. Humans are not allowed to get closer than half a mile or so. http://www.ctv.ca/servlet/ArticleNe...0_5/?hub=Canada quote: Seal hunt protesters arrested on Gulf ice floes Canadian Press CHARLOTTETOWN — Hostility between sealers and seal hunt protesters turned to violence Thursday as a scuffle led to several arrests on the ice floes in the Gulf of St. Lawrence. Animal rights activist Paul Watson, captain of the protest ship Farley Mowat, said 11 members of his crew were taken into custody by the RCMP after they attempted to photograph sealers taking part in the annual hunt near the Magdalen Islands. Watson, head of the Sea Shepherd Conservation Society, said he witnessed one of the crew members from his ship being attacked by a sealer. "One of my crew, Jonny Vasic, who is from Los Angeles was attacked by one of the sealers, smashed in the face and injured,'' Watson said in an interview from his ship via cellphone. "They broke his camera. I immediately called the coast guard and asked the RCMP to charge the sealer with assault. They responded by sending a helicopter to arrest Jonny Vasic.'' Sgt. Dave Thibault, spokesman for the RCMP, confirmed police are investigating the allegations but no arrests have been made. He said it would take several days to interview witnesses. The sealer involved in the scuffle said he was just defending himself. "I had sealers on the ice and they interfered with my sealers,'' Rendell Genge, captain of the Brady Mariner, said in an interview via ship-to-shore radio. "I called (Fisheries officials) and told them I was taking appropriate action to defend my men ... I'm the captain and I hit one guy with ... my fist to defend myself.'' Genge, from Anchor Point, Nfld., said he had not choice. "Four men came at me. I fell down and when I got up I was underneath, and the only alternative I had was to defend myself ... I just gave him one punch. I wasn't hitting anymore ... They had 15 to 20 men on the ice and there were only eight of us.'' Watson later issued a statement confirming 19 members of his crew approached the sealing vessel. But he said they remained one half nautical mile away, as required by regulations under the federal Fisheries Act. However, the statement went on to suggest sealers from Genge's vessel had punched and clubbed six of his crew members. Michel Therien, a spokesman for the Fisheries Department, said three members of the Farley Mowat crew were arrested by Fisheries officers for allegedly violating the regulations that prohibit protesters from getting too close to sealing vessels. Therien said more arrests were possible. "Three members of the crew of the Farley Mowat have been arrested and charged with being less than half a nautical mile from seal hunt operations,'' Therien said. "These individuals have been taken into custody to Charlottetown.'' Watson's group and several other animal protection organizations are monitoring the annual slaughter in a bid to re-ignite international opposition. Sealers in the Gulf have a catch limit of 90,000 seals, but bad weather has hampered the hunt this year. During the first three days of the hunt, just over 34,000 seals have been killed. Many of the mostly small fishing vessels taking part in the hunt headed for port on Thursday due to high winds and heavy seas. So far, two boats have been lost, both requiring dramatic and dangerous rescues. On Tuesday, nine sealers were rescued from the floes by the Canadian Coast Guard ship Edward Cornwallis. On Wednesday, five fishermen were plucked from the water by a Cormorant helicopter off the coast of Prince Edward Island. Watson said the Canadian government should call off the hunt before someone is seriously hurt or killed. Rebecca Aldworth, a Montreal-based director of the Humane Society of the United States, was on her way to the airport to board a helicopter when she heard of the incident involving the Farley Mowat. She said it's infuriating that opponents of the hunt are arrested when violence occurs on the ice floes. "When sealers show aggression to observers the law weighs in on their side rather than protecting the people who are observing,'' she said. She said the incident won't discourage her from observing the hunt. "We are there to film and document. We plan to approach up to 10 metres from sealers and document the ways that they're killing seal pups,'' she said. "This is a challenging environment to operate in. Every year we face aggression from sealers. They clearly don't like us filming them.'' About 70 boats were involved at the start of the hunt. But by Thursday, only about 30 were still out, battling the elements. More hunters will descend on the ice floes off the north coast of Newfoundland on April 12. This spring marks the last season for a three-year federal plan that allowed sealers to harvest a total of 975,000 seals. The total allowable catch remaining for 2005 is nearly 320,000. With the harp seal population estimated at more than five million, Fisheries officials say the hunt is a humane, sustainable enterprise for thousands of fishermen in Quebec and Atlantic Canada. Watson and other animal rights activists describe the hunt as barbaric. Yeah? Well we describe as barbaric the treatment of Newfoundland wildlife (male fishermen) by neer-do-wells who wouldn't know an honest days work if it clubbed them with a hakapik.

Taking photographs is barbaric, eh?

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damnit, beaten

	01-04-2005 19:05									#177
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quote: Originally posted by Drake Tungsten Clubbing animal rights activists

Beat em, bash em, bite em ............. GO!! SEALERS!

Which reminds me why no one has taken up the Sealers as a professional mascot and franchise yet. Maybe when Canada gets some NHL teams.

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Puts a whole new meaning to the phrase "Let's go clubbing."

	01-04-2005 20:07									#179
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quote: Originally posted by Spec Actually, polar bears dont breed in captivity. They found 2 orphin polar bears which their mom died and the babies were sent to a zoo in Colorado (IIRC) and they managed to keep them alive. That was in 2001 (again IIRC) It was the first time they managed to do that and ran in to hundreds of problems with their heatlh majorly because the mixture in their food was no sufficient in fat and specific vitamins needed. It was all trial and error form the start to the end. While one bear was getting better the other one was slowing down and vice versa. They found that when they added a specific amount of seal fat to the "milk" mixture the bones started to grow normally and the heart beat became normal. Now the polar bears are living heatly lives in another Zoo. So no, human flesh is not food that can sustain a polar bear's life. We're just a side dish or a fill up until it finds real food. Spec.

Actually, they do breed in captivity. If the Colorado zoo had problems, it probably was because they didn't ask someone who knew how to do it.

quote: http://library.sandiegozoo.org/Fact...lar/polar.htm#7 Since 1925, 37 polar bears have been born at the San Diego Zoo. 8 have survived

And if you can read danish :

http://www.zoo.dk/cms/showpage.asp?nodeid=70Isbjoern

polar bears has breeded regularly since 1946 in Copenhagen zoo.

	01-04-2005 20:22									#180
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quote: Originally posted by General Ludd Taking photographs is barbaric, eh?

Nope but I doubt that was all they were doing

Bsides, if those regs are accurately quoted, they are breaking the law by getting so close to the operations anyway.

A buffer zone does seem prudent when you KNOW there is going to be an emotionally charged confrontation (on dangerous shifting pack ice).

There is absolutely no reason the protesters need to be anywhere within close range of the sealers. They can make up any photos they need for their fund-raising and I'm betting a cute whitecoat will still figure prominently in that.