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In related news: She's dead, Jim.
http://news.yahoo.com/news?tmpl=sto...maged_woman_102
U.S. National - AP
Terri Schiavo Dies but Feud Continues
33 minutes ago
By MIKE SCHNEIDER, Associated Press Writer
PINELLAS PARK, Fla. - Terri Schiavo, the severely brain-damaged woman who spent 15 years connected to a feeding tube in an epic legal and medical battle that went all the way to the White House and Congress, died Thursday, 13 days after the tube was removed. She was 41.
Schiavo died about 9 a.m. at the Pinellas Park hospice where she lay for years while her husband and her parents fought over her in what was easily the longest, most bitter — and most heavily litigated — right-to-die dispute in U.S. history.
Michael Schiavo was at his wife's bedside, cradling her, when she died a "calm, peaceful and gentle" death, a stuffed animal under her arm, and flowers arranged around the room, said his attorney, George Felos. Her parents, Bob and Mary Schindler, were not at the hospice at the time, he said.
"Mr. Schiavo's overriding concern here was to provide for Terri a peaceful death with dignity," Felos said. "This death was not for the siblings, and not for the spouse and not for the parents. This was for Terri."
The feud between the parents and their son-in-law continued even after her death: The Schindlers' advisers complained that Schiavo's brother and sister had been at her bedside a few minutes before the end came, but were not there at the moment of her death because Michael Schiavo would not let them in the room.
"And so his heartless cruelty continues until this very last moment," said the Rev. Frank Pavone, a Roman Catholic priest. He added: "This is not only a death, with all the sadness that brings, but this is a killing, and for that we not only grieve that Terri has passed but we grieve that our nation has allowed such an atrocity as this and we pray that it will never happen again."
Felos disputed the Schindler family's account. He said that Terri Schiavo's siblings had been asked to leave the room so that the hospice staff could examine her, and the brother started arguing with a law enforcement official. Michael Schiavo feared a "potentially explosive" situation and would not allow the brother in the room, because he wanted his wife's death to take place in a calm and peaceful surroundings, Felos said.
"She's got all of her dignity back. She's now in heaven, she's now with God, and she's walking with grace," Michael Schiavo's brother, Scott Schiavo, said at his Levittown, Pa., home.
House Republican Leader Tom DeLay condemned the judges who at both the state and federal level declined to order that Schiavo be kept alive artificially.
"I never thought I'd see the day when a U.S. judge stopped feeding a living American so that they took 14 days to die," he said.
Outside the hospice, a small group of activists sang hymns, raising their hands to the sky and closing their eyes. After the tube that supplied a nutrient solution was disconnected, protesters had streamed into Pinellas Park to keep vigil outside her hospice, with many arrested as they tried to bring her food and water.
Dawn Kozsey, 47, a musician who was among those outside Schiavo's hospice, wept. "Words cannot express the rage I feel," she said. "Is my heart broken for this? Yes."
Schiavo suffered severe brain damage in 1990 after her heart stopped because of a chemical imbalance that was believed to have been brought on by an eating disorder. Court-appointed doctors ruled she was in a persistent vegetative state, with no real consciousness or chance of recovery.
She left no written instructions, but her husband argued that his wife told him long ago she would not want to be kept alive artificially. His in-laws disputed that, saying that would have gone against her Roman Catholic faith, and they contended she could get better with treatment. They said she laughed, cried, responded to them and tried to talk.
Over and over, Pinellas County Circuit Judge George W. Greer said that Michael Schiavo had convinced him that Terri Schiavo would not have wanted to be kept alive under such conditions. The feeding tube was removed with the judge's approval March 18 — the third time food and water were cut off during the seven-year legal battle.
Florida lawmakers, Congress, President Bush and his brother Gov. Jeb Bush tried to intervene on behalf of her parents, but state and federal courts at all levels repeatedly ruled in favor of her husband.
The case focused national attention on living wills, prompting perhaps thousands of Americans to discuss their end-of-life wishes with their loved ones and put their instructions in writing. The dispute also stirred a furious debate over the proper role of government in such life-and-death decisions. And it led to allegations that Republicans in Congress were pandering to the religious right and violating their own political principles of limited government and states' rights.
In Washington, the president said he was saddened by the death.
"The essence of civilization is that the strong have a duty to protect the weak," Bush said. "In cases where there are serious doubts and questions, the presumption should be in favor of life."
In Rome, Cardinal Jose Saraiva Martins, head of the Vatican's office for sainthood, called the removal of the feeding tube "an attack against God."
An autopsy is planned, with both sides hoping it will shed more light on the extent of her brain injuries and whether she was abused by her husband, as the Schindlers have argued. In what was the source of yet another dispute between the husband and his in-laws, Michael Schiavo will get custody of the body and plans to have her cremated and bury the ashes in the Schiavo family plot in Pennsylvania.
A funeral Mass, sought by the Schindlers, was tentatively scheduled for Tuesday or Wednesday.
Gov. Jeb Bush said that millions of people around the world will be "deeply grieved" by her death but that the debate over her fate could help others grapple with end-of-life issues.
"After an extraordinarily difficult and tragic journey, Terri Schiavo is at rest," he said. "I remain convinced, however, that Terri's death is a window through which we can see the many issues left unresolved in our families and in our society. For that, we can be thankful for all that the life of Terri Schiavo has taught us."
Although several right-to-die cases have been fought in the courts across the nation in recent years, none had been this public, drawn-out and bitter.
Six times, the U.S. Supreme Court declined to intervene. As Schiavo's life ebbed away earlier this month, Congress rushed through a bill to allow the federal courts to take up the case. President Bush signed it March 21. But the federal courts refused to intervene.
Described by her family as a shy woman who loved animals, music and basketball, Terri Schindler grew up in Pennsylvania and battled a weight problem in her youth.
"And then when she lost all the weight, she really became quite beautiful on the outside as well. What was inside she allowed to shine out at that point," a friend, Diane Meyer, said in 2003.
She met Michael Schiavo — pronounced SHY-voh — at Bucks County Community College near Philadelphia in 1982. They wed two years later. After they moved to Florida, she worked in an insurance agency.
But recurring battles with weight led to the eating disorder that was blamed for her collapse at 26. Doctors said she suffered severe brain damage when her heart stopped beating because of a potassium imbalance. Her brain was deprived of oxygen for 10 minutes before she was revived, doctors estimated.
Because Terri Schiavo did not leave written wishes on her care, Florida law gave preference to Michael Schiavo over her parents. But the law also recognizes parents as having crucial opinions in the care of an incapacitated person.
A court-appointed physician testified her brain damage was so severe that there was no hope she would ever have any cognitive abilities.
Still, her parents, who visited her nearly every day, reported their daughter responded to their voices. Video showing the dark-haired woman appearing to interact with her family was televised nationally. But the court-appointed doctor said the noises and facial expressions were reflexes.
Both sides accused each other of being motivated by greed over a $1 million medical malpractice award from doctors who failed to diagnose the chemical imbalance.
However, that money, which Michael Schiavo received in 1993, has all but evaporated, spent on his wife's care and the court fight. Just $40,000 to $50,000 remained as of mid-March.
Michael Schiavo's lawyers suggested the Schindlers wanted to get some of the money. And the Schindlers questioned their son-in-law's sincerity, saying he never mentioned his wife's wishes until winning the malpractice case.
The parents tried to have Michael Schiavo removed as his wife's guardian because he lives with another woman and has two children with her. Michael Schiavo refused to divorce his wife, saying he feared the Schindlers would ignore her desire to die.
Schiavo lived in her brain-damaged state longer than two other young women whose cases brought right-to-die issues to the forefront of public attention.
Karen Quinlan lived for more than a decade in a vegetative state — brought on by alcohol and drugs in 1975 when she was 21; New Jersey courts let her parents take her off a respirator a year after her injury. Nancy Cruzan, who was 25 when a 1983 car crash placed her in a vegetative state, lived nearly eight years before the U.S. Supreme Court ruled that her parents could withdraw her feeding tube.
Schiavo's feeding tube was briefly removed in 2001. It was reinserted after two days when a court intervened. In October 2003, the tube was removed again, but Gov. Jeb Bush rushed Terri's Law through the Legislature, allowing the state to have the feeding tube reinserted after six days. The Florida Supreme Court later struck down the law as unconstitutional interference in the judicial system by the executive branch.
Nearly two weeks ago, the tube was removed for a third and final time.
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Associated Press reporters Allen Breed, Vickie Chachere, Mark Long, Mitch Stacy and Ron Word contributed to this story.
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Can a US court system be charged for murder? They judge other people for commiting murders. I think is time the very judges to be charged with murder. I did not have clear oppinion on that but after I heard there was a case when a person went out from a vegatative state and REMEMBERED everything, I think Terri was in a very CRUEL way murdered by her husband with help of "so-called" law in the US.
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Law schmaw. "Thou shalt not kill."
Nonetheless, the decision was made by the next-of-kin and reaffirmed insane amount of times by the courts. It should have been left to rest.
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Feb 2000
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Originally posted by DRoseDARs
In related news: She's dead, Jim.
http://news.yahoo.com/news?tmpl=sto...maged_woman_102
U.S. National - AP
Terri Schiavo Dies but Feud Continues
33 minutes ago
By MIKE SCHNEIDER, Associated Press Writer
PINELLAS PARK, Fla. - Terri Schiavo, the severely brain-damaged woman who spent 15 years connected to a feeding tube in an epic legal and medical battle that went all the way to the White House and Congress, died Thursday, 13 days after the tube was removed. She was 41.
Schiavo died about 9 a.m. at the Pinellas Park hospice where she lay for years while her husband and her parents fought over her in what was easily the longest, most bitter — and most heavily litigated — right-to-die dispute in U.S. history.
Michael Schiavo was at his wife's bedside, cradling her, when she died a "calm, peaceful and gentle" death, a stuffed animal under her arm, and flowers arranged around the room, said his attorney, George Felos. Her parents, Bob and Mary Schindler, were not at the hospice at the time, he said.
"Mr. Schiavo's overriding concern here was to provide for Terri a peaceful death with dignity," Felos said. "This death was not for the siblings, and not for the spouse and not for the parents. This was for Terri."
The feud between the parents and their son-in-law continued even after her death: The Schindlers' advisers complained that Schiavo's brother and sister had been at her bedside a few minutes before the end came, but were not there at the moment of her death because Michael Schiavo would not let them in the room.
"And so his heartless cruelty continues until this very last moment," said the Rev. Frank Pavone, a Roman Catholic priest. He added: "This is not only a death, with all the sadness that brings, but this is a killing, and for that we not only grieve that Terri has passed but we grieve that our nation has allowed such an atrocity as this and we pray that it will never happen again."
Felos disputed the Schindler family's account. He said that Terri Schiavo's siblings had been asked to leave the room so that the hospice staff could examine her, and the brother started arguing with a law enforcement official. Michael Schiavo feared a "potentially explosive" situation and would not allow the brother in the room, because he wanted his wife's death to take place in a calm and peaceful surroundings, Felos said.
"She's got all of her dignity back. She's now in heaven, she's now with God, and she's walking with grace," Michael Schiavo's brother, Scott Schiavo, said at his Levittown, Pa., home.
House Republican Leader Tom DeLay condemned the judges who at both the state and federal level declined to order that Schiavo be kept alive artificially.
"I never thought I'd see the day when a U.S. judge stopped feeding a living American so that they took 14 days to die," he said.
Outside the hospice, a small group of activists sang hymns, raising their hands to the sky and closing their eyes. After the tube that supplied a nutrient solution was disconnected, protesters had streamed into Pinellas Park to keep vigil outside her hospice, with many arrested as they tried to bring her food and water.
Dawn Kozsey, 47, a musician who was among those outside Schiavo's hospice, wept. "Words cannot express the rage I feel," she said. "Is my heart broken for this? Yes."
Schiavo suffered severe brain damage in 1990 after her heart stopped because of a chemical imbalance that was believed to have been brought on by an eating disorder. Court-appointed doctors ruled she was in a persistent vegetative state, with no real consciousness or chance of recovery.
She left no written instructions, but her husband argued that his wife told him long ago she would not want to be kept alive artificially. His in-laws disputed that, saying that would have gone against her Roman Catholic faith, and they contended she could get better with treatment. They said she laughed, cried, responded to them and tried to talk.
Over and over, Pinellas County Circuit Judge George W. Greer said that Michael Schiavo had convinced him that Terri Schiavo would not have wanted to be kept alive under such conditions. The feeding tube was removed with the judge's approval March 18 — the third time food and water were cut off during the seven-year legal battle.
Florida lawmakers, Congress, President Bush and his brother Gov. Jeb Bush tried to intervene on behalf of her parents, but state and federal courts at all levels repeatedly ruled in favor of her husband.
The case focused national attention on living wills, prompting perhaps thousands of Americans to discuss their end-of-life wishes with their loved ones and put their instructions in writing. The dispute also stirred a furious debate over the proper role of government in such life-and-death decisions. And it led to allegations that Republicans in Congress were pandering to the religious right and violating their own political principles of limited government and states' rights.
In Washington, the president said he was saddened by the death.
"The essence of civilization is that the strong have a duty to protect the weak," Bush said. "In cases where there are serious doubts and questions, the presumption should be in favor of life."
In Rome, Cardinal Jose Saraiva Martins, head of the Vatican's office for sainthood, called the removal of the feeding tube "an attack against God."
An autopsy is planned, with both sides hoping it will shed more light on the extent of her brain injuries and whether she was abused by her husband, as the Schindlers have argued. In what was the source of yet another dispute between the husband and his in-laws, Michael Schiavo will get custody of the body and plans to have her cremated and bury the ashes in the Schiavo family plot in Pennsylvania.
A funeral Mass, sought by the Schindlers, was tentatively scheduled for Tuesday or Wednesday.
Gov. Jeb Bush said that millions of people around the world will be "deeply grieved" by her death but that the debate over her fate could help others grapple with end-of-life issues.
"After an extraordinarily difficult and tragic journey, Terri Schiavo is at rest," he said. "I remain convinced, however, that Terri's death is a window through which we can see the many issues left unresolved in our families and in our society. For that, we can be thankful for all that the life of Terri Schiavo has taught us."
Although several right-to-die cases have been fought in the courts across the nation in recent years, none had been this public, drawn-out and bitter.
Six times, the U.S. Supreme Court declined to intervene. As Schiavo's life ebbed away earlier this month, Congress rushed through a bill to allow the federal courts to take up the case. President Bush signed it March 21. But the federal courts refused to intervene.
Described by her family as a shy woman who loved animals, music and basketball, Terri Schindler grew up in Pennsylvania and battled a weight problem in her youth.
"And then when she lost all the weight, she really became quite beautiful on the outside as well. What was inside she allowed to shine out at that point," a friend, Diane Meyer, said in 2003.
She met Michael Schiavo — pronounced SHY-voh — at Bucks County Community College near Philadelphia in 1982. They wed two years later. After they moved to Florida, she worked in an insurance agency.
But recurring battles with weight led to the eating disorder that was blamed for her collapse at 26. Doctors said she suffered severe brain damage when her heart stopped beating because of a potassium imbalance. Her brain was deprived of oxygen for 10 minutes before she was revived, doctors estimated.
Because Terri Schiavo did not leave written wishes on her care, Florida law gave preference to Michael Schiavo over her parents. But the law also recognizes parents as having crucial opinions in the care of an incapacitated person.
A court-appointed physician testified her brain damage was so severe that there was no hope she would ever have any cognitive abilities.
Still, her parents, who visited her nearly every day, reported their daughter responded to their voices. Video showing the dark-haired woman appearing to interact with her family was televised nationally. But the court-appointed doctor said the noises and facial expressions were reflexes.
Both sides accused each other of being motivated by greed over a $1 million medical malpractice award from doctors who failed to diagnose the chemical imbalance.
However, that money, which Michael Schiavo received in 1993, has all but evaporated, spent on his wife's care and the court fight. Just $40,000 to $50,000 remained as of mid-March.
Michael Schiavo's lawyers suggested the Schindlers wanted to get some of the money. And the Schindlers questioned their son-in-law's sincerity, saying he never mentioned his wife's wishes until winning the malpractice case.
The parents tried to have Michael Schiavo removed as his wife's guardian because he lives with another woman and has two children with her. Michael Schiavo refused to divorce his wife, saying he feared the Schindlers would ignore her desire to die.
Schiavo lived in her brain-damaged state longer than two other young women whose cases brought right-to-die issues to the forefront of public attention.
Karen Quinlan lived for more than a decade in a vegetative state — brought on by alcohol and drugs in 1975 when she was 21; New Jersey courts let her parents take her off a respirator a year after her injury. Nancy Cruzan, who was 25 when a 1983 car crash placed her in a vegetative state, lived nearly eight years before the U.S. Supreme Court ruled that her parents could withdraw her feeding tube.
Schiavo's feeding tube was briefly removed in 2001. It was reinserted after two days when a court intervened. In October 2003, the tube was removed again, but Gov. Jeb Bush rushed Terri's Law through the Legislature, allowing the state to have the feeding tube reinserted after six days. The Florida Supreme Court later struck down the law as unconstitutional interference in the judicial system by the executive branch.
Nearly two weeks ago, the tube was removed for a third and final time.
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Associated Press reporters Allen Breed, Vickie Chachere, Mark Long, Mitch Stacy and Ron Word contributed to this story. |
hey don't forget Jim Gibbons our state representative voted last week for federal goverment intervention in this case. He's not my representative, but he's running for governor soon. Don't forget when the election comes up  . Not that you are likely to vote republican anyways.
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1. Terri is in a permanent vegetative state and has no hope to recover. |
We do not know that. Future is uncertain and she might recover. Lack of hope should not be an excuse to murder someone in such especially cruel way
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2. Terri clearly expressed expressed her wish not to continue living in a permanent vegetative state and we should respect her wish. |
We sometimes say various things in life, often when during some difficult time we might say "I do not want to live any longer". The truth is, mostly these are empty statements, coz we do want to live. It is easy to voice oppinions about something we have not experienced. Terri might say so when having her life before that state, but we cannot know if she really would like to die. People often change their oppinions, so she might want to live in that state after she found herself in it.
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3. The supporters of Terri are primarily right wing fundies who are seeking to make a political issue this that would extend to issues other than a right to die, issues such as abortion. |
Killing someone for political reasons? Should it be ok to starve someone to death, coz it serves a political reason?
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4. The parents of Terri are right wing fundamentalists and should not be supported. |
And even once again?
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5. Republican politicians like Jeb Bush and President Bush support Terri. |
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6. Michael Schiavo has a right to get on with his life, he has a new wife and two children. |
Why should it justify killing her? Over 50% marriages in the US end up in divorce. Should all husbands kill their ex-wives? I understand his wish to have better life. I understand that he has now another family. I think it is his personal right to do so and can imagine all others and his wife Terri would not blame him for that, but one has to have really bad morale standards to feel that the life will be better after killing the ex-partner.
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7. Michael Schiavo has a right to decide the issue both as her guardian and as her husband. |
And where is this "personal freedom" the US has been so much proud of till now?
So what if the president for example got a bad day and issued very lawful edict to kill all americans, let us say in states Florida, California and Texas, just because he had such feeling. And after all he is the president and Congress might support him. And even supreme court might say: "do it".
Imagine...
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8. This is a private matter decided by the courts and we should respect their decision arrived at by due process. |
The same as in 7. murder is a murder, Killing is a killing. As a person believing in God I can only say that people running courts may feel safe for the moment, but there is the ultimate judge. I believe that healthy social structures are possible to attain, but when people in a court decide to starve someone to death and dehydrate that person it is for me plain stupid, evil and with no morality. It would be better to kill her by leathal injection maybe, after she was given what would be necessary to make her sleep. This would probably make it more certain that in case she was aware and felt hunger, she would not suffer that much. Imagine, that Nazis during the second World war were more humane, since in case their victims of starvation death sentences were alive for too long they were given heart phenol injections. I can see American cruelty goes now even further, and it is considered ok, since everything is according to "law". I do not wish any of you to find yourself in a situation that court might issue such a sentence regarding your life. If the decision to kill her was made, it would be really much better to do it in a less cruel way.
And I am not in favor of Democrats or Republicans. I completely do not understand why people actually affiliate themselves with one of that sides, when having problems with agendas of both these sides and saying that choosing something else would be a waste of a vote for example. If I do not like first or second side I go for third. If there is no side three, I create it. Recognizing how a government brainwashes its citizens is a very useful thing.
For me there is really little difference between abortion and accepting so-called colateral damage among civilians. One can opose abortion, but if that person supports killing of other people in some way, like dropping bombs on them, he/she is still a killer. Let us face it. If we live in a country, which leads a war where people are killed, we are responsible for it. The guilt is even larger, when one is not directly in danger, when war is in that other country. One day we die, then God judges us. We may stand against abortion for example, but still be responsible for all those people killed by military, which used for that purpose equipment made by maybe some of us or paid from our taxes.
That is true that hundreds of thousands of people died in the world due to wars or economic sanctions. Terri is only one here, but life is also about the smallest details.
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em seu burro dos pais!
Feb 2002
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I don't take a side on this one. I see some problems with it, but then again I'm not 100% on not assisting someone to die, if there are very special circumtances. Not saying I'd support it, but that I don't take side on those extreme situations. Was this one of those extreme situations? I don't know. A quick look and analysis would make me think this is not one of those extreme cases. In cases like these.. I just don't know.
If I was in unbareable pain and my situation was terminal, I would like to have all options open. Anyone who says they are defending me and my life can go **** themselves, because it would be ME suffering, not them. They are not doing any favours. But that would be, if I was in extreme pain and in terminal conditions with absolutely no hope. I'm not saying I would opt for assisted suicide, I'm saying I want all the options open.
What ever in this case has happened though, I think it wasn't the most good way. First of all, if the decision was that she can die, based on her own will, in special conditions I'm assuming and not aware of, the most wrong you could do is let her starve. Why not give some poison or something? Quick and painless stuff. I think, that this was total crap, taking off the feeding tubes, as if it would make it more ethical. If they saw that it was a fit decision, then they should have taken the best path to take her life. Doing it like this doesn't make it any more ethical, on the contrary. Most ethical would have been quick and painless.
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