06-04-2005 10:26									#361
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Surely this should be the last word...though it won't be...

quote: Terri Schiavo Dies Of Embarrassment PINELLAS PARK, FL—Terri Schiavo, the shy woman whose self-image issues put her in a 15-year coma, died of embarrassment Thursday, the eyes of the entire world fixed upon her. "Terri, who had been extremely reserved before her debilitation, found herself trapped at the center of an epic legal battle that became the focus of the nation," said Dr. Kyle Williamson, who treated Schiavo several years ago. "The involvement of President Bush, Congress, and numerous church officials further complicated what might have been a simple right-to-die case, and made Terri's weight issues and family difficulties public knowledge. She finally succumbed to the embarrassment last week, at age 41." Specifics of Schiavo's dying breath and photos of the woman in her self-conscious 20s have been appearing in newspapers worldwide since her death.

From this week's issue of the Onion, naturally

	06-04-2005 22:42									#362
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quote: Originally posted by Ben Kenobi Plus, it makes no sense to label all those who supported Michael as being on the left, and those who supported Terri on the right. Both drew across party lines, for different reasons.

I have made this point many times. But this will not deter the left from making an issue of "Bush's" so-called unconstitutional attack on State judicial decisions.

	06-04-2005 22:43									#363
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quote: Originally posted by Mrs. Tuberski In this case as a whole nobody had right or left or democrat or rebublican tattoed on their forehead. The family, both sides lied, and gripped the nation in a bit battle over ****ing money.

There is a lot of evidence that Michael lied. I have yet to hear of any corroboration that the Schindlers lies about anything.

	06-04-2005 22:44									#364
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Rufus, Coma?

I know, I know. That was just propaganda from the Onion. But still!

	06-04-2005 23:40									#365
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ned I dont know if you watched the documentary i just watched on tv it was the terii schaivo story.
This show speificly showed the parents to be just as decietful as micheal. For one the parents claimed she opens her eyes on command. On tv it was shown that she was commanded over and over to open her eyes she never did. The money won in that lawsuit filed by micheal half went in a trust fund in teris name and whoever the person in charge of her was would inherit it after her death. The other half went dierctly to micheal. He promised the parents to pay them some money for living expenses and then renigged. the brother of terri states he told the courts he would help his inlaws. I see plent of misrepresentation on the families part just in that. But the kicker was they wanted to be terris guardian so they can get her trustfund and "take care of her". You can believe what you want out of that but i dont agree they didnt lie

	07-04-2005 21:17									#366
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quote: Originally posted by Mrs. Tuberski ned I dont know if you watched the documentary i just watched on tv it was the terii schaivo story. This show speificly showed the parents to be just as decietful as micheal. For one the parents claimed she opens her eyes on command. On tv it was shown that she was commanded over and over to open her eyes she never did. The money won in that lawsuit filed by micheal half went in a trust fund in teris name and whoever the person in charge of her was would inherit it after her death. The other half went dierctly to micheal. He promised the parents to pay them some money for living expenses and then renigged. the brother of terri states he told the courts he would help his inlaws. I see plent of misrepresentation on the families part just in that. But the kicker was they wanted to be terris guardian so they can get her trustfund and "take care of her". You can believe what you want out of that but i dont agree they didnt lie

Maybe the parents did exaggerate. The guardian ad litem appionted by Bush came to his conclusion about Terri because her reactions were not "consistent." This "consistency" thing is a issue, clearly.

	07-04-2005 23:23									#367
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What you call exgaggeration I call lying, and misleading the american public to believe this lady was better then she really was. Both parties maniuplated the courts to suit their own needs. I cant really fault the parents as much as the ex husband, but they were not as innocent and honest as the claim to be.

	07-04-2005 23:57									#368
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Mrs. T, the thing that gives one pause, though, is that Terri did have her moments.

	08-04-2005 00:04									#369
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Ned, it's time to let the thread die. You have 54 posts in this one, 110 in part three, 78 in part two, and 6 in your poll thread.

Please, remove this thread's feeding tube. It's the humane thing to do.

	08-04-2005 00:10									#370
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J, I apologize for the number of posts. But this case affected me deeply.

	08-04-2005 00:23									#371
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quote: Originally posted by Ned Mrs. T, the thing that gives one pause, though, is that Terri did have her moments.

While I agree that she had good moments as shown in the video i watched. all of these moments were captured by her family and their people. On the contrary she had many bad moments too. A dr ot hired by either side came in and did many tests on her for one the making her open eyes on command she couldnt do it he prompted her at least ten times. the mother was there and asked her too and she didnt do it. Now in this same show a dr said teri might have gotten better had she had more therapy now i dont know if this is true or the dr wanting noterity or if he was really trying to help. From what I saw the woman was not going to get better. she did make sounds. The same dr assessed her ability to swallow he claimed that she didnt have the ability to do so. Either way this lady was human and was not allowed to die with dignity. I dont usually judge folks its not my nature but i have done so here because i really believe they guys were fighting over money. Even if 40 thou is all that wasleft it was left in terris trust fund who ever her guardian was would inherit that amt when she died.

	08-04-2005 00:41									#372
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You know, T, there is also a difference, in my view, in allowing someone to die and deliberately killing them. Terri was not terminal and only had to be fed. She could swallow, but the Judge denied her food and water even by that means.

While the comparison is not entirely apt, I think it could be said that Jesus died of natural causes after being nailed to the cross. But no one would seriously contend that what the Romans did to him was still not an execution.

	08-04-2005 01:15									#373
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I thought Catholic Dogma stated Jesus was essentially or at least finally killed by the spear thrust.

	08-04-2005 01:17									#374
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Jesus CHOSE to die, at least what the bible says.

So if we want to blame anyone for killing Jesus we should blame god!!

	08-04-2005 01:18									#375
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I thought you burned in hell forever if you chose suicide. How does Jesus rate?

	08-04-2005 01:25									#376
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He got in due to nepotism

	08-04-2005 01:27									#377
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Yeah got a prime spot in the organization too. Friggin family owned businesses.

	08-04-2005 01:30									#378
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The Christian Mob

I picture god as looking a lot like Marlon Brando

Jesus? Yeah, some hippy who got himslef killed by police assisted suicide.

	08-04-2005 01:59									#379
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you guys still talking about this?

I am interested in the autopsy results. But other than that, I don't care anymore.

	08-04-2005 02:09									#380
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I just started talking about it... The mob/christian hierarchy similarities are startteling!

	28-04-2005 23:12									#381
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I thought I'd use this thread to post an update on the Shiavo case. In the weeks leading up to the end of Teri Shiavo's death large numbers of right wing Christian groups filed claims in Florida that Teri Shiavo was being abused & neglected by her husband and that the state of Florida should take custody of her. The court allowed these claims to be investigated but denied that custody could be taken away from Michael Shiavo unless compelling evidence was proven.

The results of hte investigation are back and all 87 claims of abuse & neglect were found to be completely without merit and entirely untrue. Don't expect Tom Hannity or Fox News to print a retraction as they have (predictably) ignored the results. Fox News dedicated hours and hours of air time claiming that not only was the abuse possible but that the evidence was absolutely over welling and that the state of Florida just needed to protect Teri Shiavo from her rapaging and abusive husband.

That was all just a lie and no abuse ever occured. I guess this is just more proof that Faux news really isn't news.

Florida's online records of the shiavo case.

News report explaining the results.

The autopsy report should be made public in May and everyone expects the results to say she was a total vegetable but don't expect Faux News or the conservative groups who pumped this case up to retract anything or to apologize for all of their baseless accusations.

	28-04-2005 23:19									#382
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why are they taking so long for the autopsy results? I was hoping that was why this thread was bumped. I'm still curiuos to hear the results.

It's funny how cases like this just completely drop off the news so fast. But of course the pope death overshadowed it. But that's how it always is.

	28-04-2005 23:20									#383
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Someone pull the life support on this thread!

	28-04-2005 23:24									#384
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Zombie Schiavo!!1

	28-04-2005 23:29									#385
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quote: Originally posted by chegitz guevara Someone pull the life support on this thread!

Being the thread starter, I concur.

Somebody mind reporting this post to a mod? Thanks!

	28-04-2005 23:33									#386
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I have no idea how any report on abuse could be complete before the autopsy report that would, I presume, confirm the 1991 bone scan that we've heard about.

	28-04-2005 23:34									#387
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* chegitz guevara slaps Ned with a cold, dead, stinky, fish.

	28-04-2005 23:42									#388
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I shall post creepy cartoons from Faithmouse.com here. Christian fundamentalists be Yarrr and woo.

	28-04-2005 23:45									#389
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Star mole is my hero.

	28-04-2005 23:46									#390
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I am curious as to why her face is on a gavel.