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http://www.haaretzdaily.com/hasen/spages/559085.html

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Arkia employees buy their company
By Zohar Blumenkrantz and Omri Cohen

Arkia Airlines' employees bought Knafaim's 75 percent stake in the carrier for $12 million yesterday. Since the union already owned 25 percent of the airline, the deal gives the workers 100 percent ownership.
Under the deal, the workers also received an option to buy Knafaim's shares in the travel agencies Issta and Kishrei Te'ufa, at a price to be determined by a mutually agreed assessor and subject to the consent of parties that hold the right of first refusal on the shares. Knafaim owns 25 percent of both companies.

Media reports have suggested that the workers coordinated the options deal with the New York based-Nakash brothers, who would then come in as strategic investors after the options were exercised.

The Arkia sale was mandated by Antitrust Commissioner Dror Strum after the Borovitch family, which owns Knafaim, purchased 39.6 percent of El Al from the state.

In a statement to the Tel Aviv Stock Exchange yesterday, Knafaim said that it believes that with the sale of Arkia and an option to buy Issta and Kishrei Te'ufa, coupled with the earlier sale of its 25 percent stake in another company, Arnon Paz, it believes that it has fulfilled all of Strum's conditions, and there is therefore no longer any need for him to appoint a trustee for Knafaim - a move he had threatened to take if Arkia were not sold.

"The sale to Arkia's workers reflects the relations of mutual trust between Knafaim's shareholders and Arkia's workers, which led to Arkia's growth, via mutual cooperation, over many years," said Israel Borovitch, CEO of Knafaim and chairman of the board of El Al, after the sale. "I wish Arkia's workers great success."

Meanwhile, Knafaim published its financial statements for 2004 yesterday. The company reported a 3.3 percent decline in revenues compared to 2003, from $174.9 million to $169.1 million. Nevertheless, it turned a profit of $1.46 million for the year, compared to a loss of $2 million in 2003.

In the fourth quarter, the company posted a loss of $2 million on revenues of $30.9 million.



This is great: the workers will now be the masters of their own faith.

Of course, this is just a reason to open a fresh new cap/com thread, and this time, the issue is worker-owned corporations: do we need much more of those around? Are they superior to ordinary corps?

Discuss!

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IMHO any workers that want to buy their employer are free to do so. I actually see nothing anti-capitalist in this and am neutral on whther there should be more or less worker owned corps.

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It is very good for some businesses and not as good for others. I.e. law firms are ususally owned by employees. Not all of the employees, but the best ones have a reasonable chance of becoming partners.

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IMHO any workers that want to buy their employer are free to do so. I actually see nothing anti-capitalist in this and am neutral on whther there should be more or less worker owned corps.


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Arkia employees buy their company
By Zohar Blumenkrantz and Omri Cohen

Arkia Airlines' employees bought Knafaim's 75 percent stake in the carrier for $12 millionyesterday. Since the union already owned 25 percent of the airline, the deal gives the workers 100 percent ownership.
Under the deal, the workers also received an option to buy Knafaim's shares in the travel agencies Issta and Kishrei Te'ufa, at a price to be determined by a mutually agreed assessor and subject to the consent of parties that hold the right of first refusal on the shares. Knafaim owns 25 percent of both companies.

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Meanwhile, Knafaim published its financial statements for 2004 yesterday. The company reported a 3.3 percent decline in revenues compared to 2003, from $174.9 million to $169.1 million. Nevertheless, it turned a profit of $1.46 million for the year, compared to a loss of $2 million in 2003.

In the fourth quarter, the company posted a loss of $2 million on revenues of $30.9 million.



How many planes do they have. I can't imagine a $16 million airline is very large...?

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erm, Saras, when only a small number of employees are owners, this doesn't really amount to anything. This is the case in most small to medium bussinesses.

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How many planes do they have. I can't imagine a $16 million airline is very large...?


They're a regional carrier, I.e. they do flights in Israel, and to eastern europe.

They're actually rather small. I was just very happy for them when I've heard this going around the news ( and wanted to open a Cap/Com thread for quite some time, now). Still, the price is at a discount, since the owners had to sell.

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Since the union already owned 25 percent of the airline, the deal gives the workers 100 percent ownership.


Not understanding the legalities here, but it seems more correct to state that the union owns the airline, not the current employees themselves.

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Also, this was done about a decade ago, with the employee led buyout of United Airlines.

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Yes, and all employees have equal rights in the union.

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Until they leave their jobs, which means they lose their "ownership stake."

Which means that the employees do not own the airline but the union does.

You might want to change your OP to reflect these facts. You can't do anything about the poorly-written article, but the commentary below that reflects inconsistancies with what has happened and what has been reported to happen.

Thanks.

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They do own it, while the work in it, which is the best part of it.

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How many planes do they have. I can't imagine a $16 million airline is very large...?


Not many, I'd say, especially given that Israel isn't exactly big and this isn't their main airline. You could probably do some rough figuring from their financials. They seem to do about $170 million in revenues. WestJet did just over a billion (Canadian) with around 50 planes. So figure Knafaim is about one-fifth the size.

Edit: And that might be overstating it, considering Knafaim seems to have ownership interests in other ventures.

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But they don't own it. The union does. The union is a separate entity from the employees, with different purposes, goals, and needs.

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They do own it, while the work in it, which is the best part of it.


Do they own something if they lose that ownership without compensation if they die, quit or become unable to work?

If I truly own something, I ( or my estate) continues ownership until I sell it or volunatrily surrender it

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Not many, I'd say, especially given that Israel isn't exactly big and this isn't their main airline. You could probably do some rough figuring from their financials. They seem to do about $170 million in revenues. WestJet did just over a billion (Canadian) with around 50 planes. So figure Knafaim is about one-fifth the size.

Edit: And that might be overstating it, considering Knafaim seems to have ownership interests in other ventures.




Nah, Knafaim is the previous owner. They were a subsidiary!


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That's why a union has great pension plans, and other things, that use the profits. The money is tied to the worker. What else can the union do with it?

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Also, this was done about a decade ago, with the employee led buyout of United Airlines.
We know how well that turned out.

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I am neutral regarding workers buying their employer. However, I note that the employees buying United Airlines has been one big **** up.

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Ooo. Good cross-post.

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UAL ESOP left much of the board in place, and never did quite get control of the corporation. That was one of the major problems, it was a bastard plan and was a very effective vehicle to profit off the employees while still maintaining control/exorbitant salaries for the corporate officers/board. By the time 9/11 happened, the situation was so f**ked up that the airline had the worst of both worlds, i.e. ESOP and normal incestuous coporate/board officers.

From Business Week.

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Then in October, United's ALPA chapter elected a militant, Frederick C. Dubinsky, to replace pro-ESOP Michael Glawe as its chairman. Dubinsky led several of ALPA's early buyout efforts at United but opposed the 1994 ESOP because it didn't give labor more control for its 55% stake. He came to power again by promising to win big pay hikes. After that, the pilots will address ''the ESOP perpetuation contingent on the right condition, and that is how much we're paying for the stock'' in wage or benefit cuts, says Dubinsky....

The wild ride of UAL stock has also helped erode employees' enthusiasm for the ESOP. The company's shares more than quadrupled since the buyout through 1997, handily beating the market. But the stock has plunged by some 45% since April, 1999, as airlines stocks were savaged by high oil prices. And since an ESOP is a retirement plan, employees can't sell until they retire or leave the company. ''A lot of guys don't want to take the chance that the stock is going to be valuable when they retire,'' says George Ramirez, a United pilot since 1988. Agrees one lower-paid baggage handler: ''I'd like to invest myself, take my own chances.''

United employees also know they won't be giving up much immediately by letting the current ESOP lapse. Even if the unions stop buying stock this year, they are guaranteed three seats on the 12-member UAL board, a 75% vote on shareholder questions, and veto power over such matters as naming a chairman and approving big acquisitions or spin-offs until their collective holdings drop to 20%. Based on anticipated attrition and retirement rates, the unions don't expect to cross that threshold until about 2016. ''The question is, what's the present value of something that's not going to happen for 15 or 16 years?'' asks one union consultant.


Note - 55% of the stock, three seats (out of 12!!!) on the board. Only able to sell the stock on retirement. Note that in the normal corporate world with 55% of the stock - you de facto control the corporation, unless there are special categories of stock. Bad example, and the employees feel for that one hook, line, and sinker.

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Also, this was done about a decade ago, with the employee led buyout of United Airlines.


Except that in the case of United, the unions were scammed, and all real power remained in the hands of the parent corp.

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Whats that famous Gen. Robert E Lee quote about a good general can not love his army too much?

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Whats that famous Gen. Robert E Lee quote about a good general can not love his army too much?


Who's the "command economy" now?

Seriously, I think that in these cases, the workers will be much more flexible, since their management is their own making.

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Generally speaking, often times workers are able to better cut costs and make the workplace more efficient. The test is in seeing whether they can plan for the future. In Peru, after the leftist coup of 1968, the workers took over a sugar factory and ran it into the ground, because all the workers stole from the plant.

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Serves them right, shame for their families, though.

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I think owning/running your workplace requires a certain level of consciousness, that peasants turned worker don't really have.

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It depends on the society, really.

Politics are culture-specific.

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Whats that famous Gen. Robert E Lee quote about a good general can not love his army too much?


Who's the "command economy" now?

Seriously, I think that in these cases, the workers will be much more flexible, since their management is their own making.


The context was Gen. Lee was commenting on the requirement to make hard decisions to put men in harms way in order to achieve the larger goal. The question is can a worker owned company make those same hard decisions (i.e. layoffs and downsizing) if required?

Flexibility and deciding to work more productively may afford some short term gains but eventually the day of reckoning does come.

And Che did you mean consciouness or lack of conscience?

 
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