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Wycoff is offline Wycoff
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No it's not. In the 1980s, Buchanan sent out a newsletter saying that the Nazis couldn't have gassed people at Treblinka.

The way the Nazis killed people was by using mistimed diesel engines, which produced large amounts of carbon monoxide. Well, Pat got it in his head that because some kids survived in a subway with a diesel engine for a number of hours, that the Nazis couldn't have gassed anyone using diesel engines and so he wrote that it didn't happen.

But hey, way to stick up for Buchanan, Wcoff. Next you'll tell us David Irving's okay too.


I've read plenty of things that Buchanan has written, and have never seen him mention this or anything like it. I can't comment on it, as I've never seen anything indicating this.

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Then don't call BS.

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All famous people deserved to get covered in food because most of them are egomaniacs.

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All famous people deserved to get covered in food because most of them are egomaniacs.

Quoted for TRUTH

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Originally posted by chegitz guevara I don't respect people who support Holocaust deniers.


...and I don't respect passive-aggressive internet intellectuals who use two-bit internet blogs as sources. I'll look into this type of stuff further, and it'll do much to change my opinion if true. I'm basing my opinions on things that I have read and seen over the past 6 or 7 years. I've heard him vilify Nazis and such many times. I've never seen any hint of Holocaust denial.

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Don't you like seeing dignitaries get pelted, Jag?

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Don't you like seeing dignitaries get pelted, Jag?

Yes.

Didn't Bill Gates get egged once?

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Yep.

I wish it had been a bomb.

Apple all the way, baby!!!

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I bet he feels gipped that they couldn't hit him with a pie.

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Looks kinda chunky. Must be bleu cheese dressing?

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I'm thinking ranch

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No, ranch is much smoother in texture. It's either bleu cheese or creamy parmesan.

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Yes.

Didn't Bill Gates get egged once?


Close...
http://images.google.be/imgres?imgu...6lr%3D%26sa%3DN

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...and I don't respect passive-aggressive internet intellectuals who use two-bit internet blogs as sources.


http://www.holocaust-history.org/~rjg/buchanan.shtml
http://www.publiceye.org/magazine/v08n3/holodeni.html (do a search for buchanan on the page)
http://www.nizkor.org/ftp.cgi/peopl...column.0390.002
http://www.wymaninstitute.org/press/2004-12-16.php

I think that's enough . . . unless Wycoff wants to challenge me again.

And there's nothing passive about my aggressiveness.

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Coincidence, yesterday I was working on rounding up images of pies because my students (adults included) all think traditional western pie is the same as the "pie" you purchase at Mcdonalds (remember, McDonalds is everywhere in China).

I decided I should write a short piece for classroom discussion on the odd western tradition of throwing a pie in someone's face. It was wonderful to once again enjoy that footage of Anita Bryant earning her just dessert.

So seeing political troglodyte Pat Buchanan get his salad tossed was unusually timely.

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Pat Buchanan get his salad tossed


I am going to be sick now, thanks.

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Food attacks are non-violent and amusing, but they get the job done.

Too bad it's a waste of good food. Rotten food, on the other hand

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Is the salad dressing okay?

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Oops, Wycoff just got the equivalent of a pie thrown in his face.

Seriously Wycoff, Buchanan's ideas about the holocaust have been pretty widely reported, I'm not sure how you could have read much about him without encountering it before. It's not as if this kind of thing is wildly atypical for him.

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I was at an international meeting where Michel Camdessus, then the head of the IMF, got a pie in the face.

After that, security guards started checking bags for cream pies

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"Stop the bigotry!" the demonstrator shouted as he hurled the liquid

"He could have faced a felony assault charge, but Pat Buchanan decided to not press that charge," university spokesman Matt Kurz said.


oh the irony

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Let's throw bottles.

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Can you quote him claiming the Holocaust didn't happen? I looked thru your links and I don't see what he said to qualify him as a Holocaust denier...

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Originally posted by chegitz guevara I think that's enough . . . unless Wycoff wants to challenge me again.

And there's nothing passive about my aggressiveness.


I wasn't aware of that crack-pot Treblinka article. That's pretty indefensible, I'll admit, and it does lower my opinion of him. Anti-semitism charges make more sense when there's that to back them up, and that article seems to provide the main basis in the anti-semitism charges. I spoke to him in October when he visited campus; I wish that I had known about that because I would have asked him about it. It would have been interesting to see if he'd recant.

However, much of the anti-Israeli stuff that he's quoted as saying makes sense when you view it as intended and in context, as reference to neo-conservativism and the US' unqualified support for Israel rather than old-fashioned anti-semitism. (EDIT FOR CLARITY: the quotations that I am talking about are quotations I found doing a Goole search for Buchanan and Holocaust Denial, not quotations in this article)As people have pointed out on here ad naseum, opposing American support for Zionism doesn't equate to anti-semitism.

Again, that Treblinka article is shameful, and he deserves to be taken to task for it (it's probably why I've never seen him mention it), but even it did not say anything about denying the total Holocaust. It is 15 years old (I would have been 8 when it was written, which explains why I didn't know about it). Maybe he's grown milder as he's aged, because I've never seen him say or write anything as blatantly anti-semetic as that article.

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Buchanan is a ****er but I can think of worse than him.

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Am I an anti-Semite if I don't like the Liberty attack...

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Can you quote him claiming the Holocaust didn't happen? I looked thru your links and I don't see what he said to qualify him as a Holocaust denier...


That's why I said borderline Holocaust denier.

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Am I an anti-Semite if I don't like the Liberty attack...


No, you're just a good American.

 
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