02-04-2005 07:39									#1
	1335 AD Orders - GS has Uranium! Support Apolyton, buy Galactic Civilizations: Deluxe Edition

For those who did not read last turnthread, we lost a Uranium source and guess where it popped up? Yep, Stormia. Still, like I mentioned before, we are only 2 turns before getting Space Flight whereas GS just got Rocketry 2 turns before and has been researching at 40% because they have less than 200g in their coffers.

Do the math and even with the Internet they cannot get nukes before us.

	02-04-2005 08:15									#2
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just double-checked, indeed, GS obtained Rocketry on 1325 AD (it was sent on 1320). That means they could at the very minimum get Space flight on 1345 AD and their first nuke on 1350 AD.

GS research on

1325 AD: 90% and 575g
1300 AD: 40% and 195g

given the 1300 stats (and their lack of money), Space Flight in 4 turns seems rather optimistic.

We will get Space Flight on 1345 AD also. I have just come up with a last-resort plan in the even that GS gets nukes before we are ready to launch our plan.

First of all we assume that it will take at least 5 turns for GS to get Space Flight on 1350 AD at the earliest. Given that we will have SF, we will know via the diplo screen whether they have the techs or not. Once GS gets SF, it will still take one turn before they can actually build a nuke, i.e. until 1355 AD. Thus, we have a 1-turn window to damage them. This means launching our lightning invasion of Roleplay on 1350 AD and also a little dastardly plan:

We capture ND's cities of Luxilou and Candri with our RoP, move in our nukes and bomb GS's cities of Whirlwind, Monsoon and Olibanum Gate.

We then gift the cities back to ND and proceed to nuke more of GS via subs. That should be enough to win. With those cities nuked and the surrounding tiles polluted, GS even if it builds their own nukes, will not be able to hit ND or GoW the following turn and in a nuclear war of attrition, we can win.

	02-04-2005 18:51									#4
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Oh... I don't know. I don't like the though of taking ND cities and giving them back. That seems awfully close to cheating. Maybe if we write out a contract with them and part of their "Payment" is the loaning of thses cities to us for the duration of the war?

If you are just planing on taking the cities by force and tell them about it later, I believe that they would never trust us again and we WILL have a fight against them without preparing for it.

	02-04-2005 21:07									#5
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quote: Originally posted by Donegeal If you are just planing on taking the cities by force and tell them about it later, I believe that they would never trust us again and we WILL have a fight against them without preparing for it.

YAY!!!!

War on everyone in the game!!!

And as for 'preparing' just use the nukes there.

	02-04-2005 22:36									#6
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quote: Originally posted by Donegeal Oh... I don't know. I don't like the though of taking ND cities and giving them back. That seems awfully close to cheating. Maybe if we write out a contract with them and part of their "Payment" is the loaning of thses cities to us for the duration of the war? If you are just planing on taking the cities by force and tell them about it later, I believe that they would never trust us again and we WILL have a fight against them without preparing for it.

I already e-mailed them and told them about the plan, they haven't answered back yet.

We don't have to take them by force. After 1345 AD ND does not send us money, so what they can do is send us both cities accepted every turn from then on. We of course, would not accept them unless we had to execute the emergency attack.

	02-04-2005 22:41									#7
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btw, I don't know about you guys but I'm kinda glad the uranium popped up in Stormia. If we do end up winning the game, at least no-one will whine that they did not have the resource.

(plus if anyone receives some retaliatory nuking, it will likely be ND, not us )

	05-04-2005 05:24									#8
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quote: Originally posted by Master Zen just double-checked, indeed, GS obtained Rocketry on 1325 AD (it was sent on 1320). First of all we assume that it will take at least 5 turns for GS to get Space Flight on 1350 AD at the earliest. Given that we will have SF, we will know via the diplo screen whether they have the techs or not. Once GS gets SF, it will still take one turn before they can actually build a nuke, i.e. until 1355 AD. Thus, we have a 1-turn window to damage them. This means launching our lightning invasion of Roleplay on 1350 AD and also a little dastardly plan: We capture ND's cities of Luxilou and Candri with our RoP, move in our nukes and bomb GS's cities of Whirlwind, Monsoon and Olibanum Gate. We then gift the cities back to ND and proceed to nuke more of GS via subs. That should be enough to win. With those cities nuked and the surrounding tiles polluted, GS even if it builds their own nukes, will not be able to hit ND or GoW the following turn and in a nuclear war of attrition, we can win.

Just a couple of points.

I dont have the save available to check.. but instead of capturing ND cities, can we use settlers & build a temp city somewhere down there ?
Launch the nukes, and if we want to hide what we did, abandon the city & use workers to cover up the rubble left behind.
Not even sure if there is an advantage in doing this.

Also.. I think we approved a rule saying that a team can use the F1 trick to change their builds at the start of a turn. If GS learn Space Flight on 1350ad, they can enter the F1 screen, change their prebuilds to nukes, and have them ready to launch at 1350ad. ie there is no 1 turn window.

	05-04-2005 07:42									#9
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I thought we banned that rule. Are you sure?

	05-04-2005 08:03									#10
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Just checked. You are right. And this sucks because i had counted on using the Intelligence Agency as a prebuild the turn after SF. I could have switched one turn earlier and we'd have DA BOMB just 2 turns from now.

	05-04-2005 09:58									#11
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Diplomacy

- GS sends 10gpt, 180g.
- ND sends 1300g + WM, we send WM


City Builds

- MANHATTAN PROJECT BUILT IN KILLDARIA, begins Artillery (1)
- Trafalgar builds Tank, begins Mech Inf (2)
- Dreadnaughtica builds Nuclear Sub, beings Mech Inf (2)
- The Hill builds Mech Inf, begins, Mech Inf (2)
- Irongard builds Mech Inf, begins Mech Inf (2)
- Skulgaria builds Tank, begins Mech Inf (2)
- Zenophobia builds Tank, begins Destroyer (6)
- Port Isolation builds Nuclear Sub, begins Destroyer (3)
- Tenebrae builds Artillery, begins Mech Inf (2)
- Plague City builds Cruise Missile, begins Mech Inf (2)
- Yellowknife builds Mech Inf, begins Mech Inf (2)
- Leviathan builds Tank, beigns Mech Inf (2)
- Iqualuit builds Tank, begins Mech Inf (2)
- Port Sacrifice builds Walls, begins Wealth

PALACE UPGRADE


Workers

- Some tile improvement work was done to reduce production in cities with over 110spt (for nuke prebuilds)


Military

- Lego escapes!!!
- Fleet moving towards Devil's Horn, will be in position next turn.

	05-04-2005 10:12									#12
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http://apolyton.net/upload/view.php...oW-1335AD-1.jpg

F11
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GS investigation
http://apolyton.net/upload/view.php...W-1335AD-GS.jpg