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The Mad Monk is offline The Mad Monk
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You know, the former National Security Advisor, who was likely to be Secretary of State had Kerry won? The one who was accused of taking several Clinton Administration memos on terrorism from a secure facility, and destroying them?

Well...

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Berger pleads guilty to taking materials

MARK SHERMAN

Associated Press

WASHINGTON - Former national security adviser Sandy Berger, who once had unfettered access to the government's most sensitive secrets, pleaded guilty Friday to sneaking classified documents out of the National Archives, then using scissors to cut up some of them.

Rather than the "honest mistake" he described last summer, Berger acknowledged to U.S. Magistrate Deborah Robinson that he intentionally took and deliberately destroyed three copies of the same document dealing with terror threats during the 2000 millennium celebration. He then lied about it to Archives staff when they told him documents were missing.

"Guilty, your honor," Berger responded Friday when asked how he pleaded.

Robinson did not ask Berger why he cut up the materials and threw them away at the Washington office of his Stonebridge International consulting firm. Berger, accompanied by his wife, Susan, did not offer an explanation when he addressed reporters outside the federal courthouse following the hearing.

"It was a mistake and it was wrong," he said, refusing to answer questions.

Noel Hillman, chief of the Justice Department's public integrity section, would not discuss Berger's motivation, but said the former national security adviser understood the rules governing the handling of classified materials. Berger only had copies of documents; all of the originals remain in the government's possession, Hillman said.

The charge of unauthorized removal and retention of classified material is a misdemeanor that carries a maximum sentence of a year in prison and up to a $100,000 fine.

However, under a plea agreement that still must be approved by Robinson, Berger would serve no jail time but pay a $10,000 fine, surrender his security clearance for three years and cooperate with investigators. Security clearance allows access to classified government materials.

Sentencing was set for July 8.

The court appearance was the culmination of a bizarre episode in which Berger, who once had access to the government's most sensitive intelligence, was accused of sneaking documents out of the Archives, which houses the Constitution, the Declaration of Independence and other cherished and top-secret documents.

The Bush administration disclosed the investigation in July, just days before the Sept. 11 commission issued its final report. Democrats claimed the White House was using Berger to deflect attention from the harsh findings, with their potential for damaging President Bush's re-election prospects.

After news of the probe surfaced, Berger acknowledged he left the National Archives on two occasions in 2003 with copies of documents about the government's anti-terror efforts and notes that he took on those documents.

He said he was reviewing the materials to help determine which Clinton administration documents to provide to the commission investigating the Sept. 11 attacks. He called the episode "an honest mistake" and denied criminal wrongdoing.

Berger and his lawyer, Lanny Breuer, have said that Berger knowingly removed the handwritten notes by placing them in his jacket and pants and inadvertently took copies of actual classified documents in a leather portfolio.

He returned two copies of a sensitive after-action report on the Clinton administration's handling of al-Qaida terror threats during the December 1999 millennium celebration.

The Associated Press first reported in July that the Justice Department was investigating Berger. The disclosure prompted Berger to step down as an adviser to the campaign of Democratic presidential candidate John Kerry.

Clinton was among the Democrats who questioned the timing of the disclosure of the Berger probe three days before the release of the Sept. 11 report. Leaders of the Sept. 11 commission said they were able to get every key document needed to complete their report.


http://www.kansascity.com/mld/kansa...cs/11290216.htm

I'm not sure what makes my jaw drop more -- that this man was nearly the Secretary of State, or that A MAN WITH TOP SECURITY CLEARANCE VIOLATED THAT TRUST AND IS BEING "PUNISHED" BY LOSING THAT TRUST FOR ONLY THREE YEARS.

On second thought, I am sure.

WHO IN HELL MADE THAT DEAL!?

TCO is offline TCO
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It's a bad message for people handling classified material.

The Mad Monk is offline The Mad Monk
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Yeah, you know?

It's like they're saying, "if we catch you stealing documents, wait three years, and we'll give you a chance to steal some more!"

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Robinson did not ask Berger why he cut up the materials and threw them away at the Washington office of his Stonebridge International consulting firm. Berger, accompanied by his wife, Susan, did not offer an explanation when he addressed reporters outside the federal courthouse following the hearing.

"It was a mistake and it was wrong," he said, refusing to answer questions.


Cute.

chegitz guevara is offline chegitz guevara
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RHIP

Course, he'd still be better than the numnutz we have today.

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Wow, a Pat Buchanan thread and a Sandy Berger thread started on the same day. Is it "start a thread discussing controversial politicians whom Wycoff has met in person" day?

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Sad, sad, sad, sad...

Kuciwalker is offline Kuciwalker
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under a plea agreement that still must be approved by Robinson, Berger would serve no jail time but pay a $10,000 fine


Thats our "Just us" system at work...

Drake Tungsten is offline Drake Tungsten
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Oct 2001
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This is outrageous. What do you have to do to get your security clearance revoked permanently?

Tuberski is offline Tuberski
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Pee on the President.

ACK!

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I thought that happened at the private inauguration party..

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Eat the president.

In a non-Lewinski/Monroe fashion...


Or eat the Washington Monument. With or without protein rich Bukkakenan salad dressing.

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However, under a plea agreement that still must be approved by Robinson, Berger would serve no jail time but pay a $10,000 fine, surrender his security clearance for three years and cooperate with investigators. Security clearance allows access to classified government materials.


Why oh why oh why oh why would anyone permit this guy to have access to classified documents ever again??

General Ludd is offline General Ludd
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He was probably cutting up something that alot of people within the administration won't miss.

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Oh, Sandy...

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"The charge of unauthorized removal and retention of classified material is a misdemeanor that carries a maximum sentence of a year in prison and up to a $100,000 fine"

You'd think the sentence would be based on the nature and impact of the material. This places too many kinds of material on the same level of importance. MAXIMUM one year? There must be some other offence dealing with serious **** then.

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Seeker, I think the law is meant to deal with carelessness or people who don't take things seriously. It is not meant to deal with malicious, on-purpose actions.

General Ludd is offline General Ludd
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Come on, if those in charge where upset about what he did, he'd be in world of trouble.

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What's the penalty for initiating a war for fraudulent reasons?

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What's the penalty for initiating a war for fraudulent reasons?


A second term.

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Well there you have it! I rest my case.

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