Apolyton Archive  |  Preserved copy of the Apolyton Civilization Site and its forums as they stood in September 2005. Read-only; nothing here can be posted to or replied to.  |  Forum index |  About this archive |  The 1998–2001 UBB forums
Today on Apolyton WARDELL INTERVIEW PROMO A.C.S. HISTORY CHAPTER 4 GET CIV4 /w FREE PLUS! A.C.S. PHOTO GALLERY GET A.O.M. V1.1
Apolyton Civilization Forums
main| civ2| civ3| civ4| smac| ctp2| ron| moo3| galciv| galciv2| alt| about|
ApolytonPLUS | register | search | faq | new posts | pm (-/-) | upload | members
hall of fame new! | civgroups | civgroups news | interviews | the column | radio | chat | directory | news | store | PLUS
Apolyton Civilization Forums : Powered by vBulletin version 2.0.3 Apolyton Civilization Forums > Miscellaneous > Off-Topic > The plant that changed the world
Show a Printable Version | Email This Page to Someone! | Receive updates to this thread | Report this to Apolyton news!
20.Sep: FOURTH CHAPTER IN `HISTORY OF...` PUBLISHED
13.Sep: NEWS ON THE FLY
06.Sep: APOLYTON DONATES TO HURRICANE RELIEF

bottom of page
   - CIVILIZATION 3 $9.99 - CIVILIZATION 2 from $6.95 - CIVILIZATION 2 from $4.25 - ALPHA CENTAURI + ALIEN CROSSFIRE (laptop collection) from $19.99 - ALPHA CENTAURI PC $9.99 -->
Author
Thread   
Pages (2): [ 1   2   ]
< Last Thread     Next Thread > Post New Thread     Post A Reply
shawnmmcc is offline shawnmmcc
Prince

Jan 2003
time: 00:32
  Old Post 03-04-2005 00:20
Edit/Delete Message Reply w/Quote
#1 Report this post to a moderator
The plant that changed the world Support Apolyton buy from Amazon

Not wheat, corn, or soy beans. Oh, ye of little taste. The real plant that changed the world was Capsicum frutescens and C. annum, it's kissing cousin. The lowly pepper. What started as a tasty little nubbin of a fruit on a tropical plant now has changed cuisine the world over.

Yes potatoes feed more stomachs, as do bananas. The grain crops feed humanity. You can substitute one carobhydrate producer for another, within limits. But the pepper has hijacked cuisines the world over.

Find me an Asian, European, or African cuisine left untouched by this new world interloper. Everyone grows it, everyone eats it, and everyone has it in their cuisine in one way or another - even the British! (please note, some philistine will find some outlandish exception to this, like maybe the cuisine of Greenland - to which I intellectually reply - ).

So find me a crop that has changed humanity more than this lowly plant, loving altered by local inhabitants the world over. I would not be surprised if there are more current cultivars of this shy plant than any other food species grown by man. Other candidates are welcome to compete with this wondrous mana, please list them and your reasons below.

Az is offline Az
King
MACEDONIA - It's the name of the sovereign country to the north of Greece
Apr 2000
time: 07:32
  Old Post 03-04-2005 00:21
Edit/Delete Message Reply w/Quote
#2 Report this post to a moderator
Support Apolyton, pre-order Civilization IV

Umm, the effect of cuisine on the world is limited, though...

Dis is offline Dis
Emperor
Las Vegas, Nevada
Feb 2000
time: 21:32
  Old Post 03-04-2005 00:25 Visit Dis's homepage!
Edit/Delete Message Reply w/Quote
#3 Report this post to a moderator
Lose 30 kilos (of popups)

and I thought this would be about cannabis...

Az is offline Az
King
MACEDONIA - It's the name of the sovereign country to the north of Greece
Apr 2000
time: 07:32
  Old Post 03-04-2005 00:29
Edit/Delete Message Reply w/Quote
#4 Report this post to a moderator
Enter the AD-FREE zone

There are much better plant contenders in the drug department than that.

shawnmmcc is offline shawnmmcc
Prince

Jan 2003
time: 00:32
  Old Post 03-04-2005 00:41
Edit/Delete Message Reply w/Quote
#5 Report this post to a moderator
Avatar Enlargement: We've got the solution

Then post your alternative!

Dis is offline Dis
Emperor
Las Vegas, Nevada
Feb 2000
time: 21:32
  Old Post 03-04-2005 00:42 Visit Dis's homepage!
Edit/Delete Message Reply w/Quote
#6 Report this post to a moderator
Support Apolyton, pre-order Civilization IV

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hops

Ogie Oglethorpe is offline Ogie Oglethorpe
King
Marietta, GA
Dec 1999
time: 05:32
  Old Post 03-04-2005 00:46
Edit/Delete Message Reply w/Quote
#7 Report this post to a moderator
Inflate your Upload Space

I was just thinking the roots of civlization can be traced to beer.

Oerdin is offline Oerdin
King
of Internet Music.
Sep 2001
time: 21:32
  Old Post 03-04-2005 00:48
Edit/Delete Message Reply w/Quote
#8 Report this post to a moderator
Browse Apolyton AD-FREE

The plant which really changed the world was the very first Angiosperm. Most plant species today are Angiosperms and nearly all of the important food or herb plants humans use are Angiosperms.

Oerdin is offline Oerdin
King
of Internet Music.
Sep 2001
time: 21:32
  Old Post 03-04-2005 00:49
Edit/Delete Message Reply w/Quote
#9 Report this post to a moderator
Got spare money?

quote:
Originally posted by Ogie Oglethorpe
I was just thinking the roots of civlization can be traced to beer.


Yes that is true but the frist beer didn't use hops. Hops don't grow in the middle east nor are they found there wild.

Last edited by Oerdin on 03-04-2005 at 01:24

Ogie Oglethorpe is offline Ogie Oglethorpe
King
Marietta, GA
Dec 1999
time: 05:32
  Old Post 03-04-2005 00:51
Edit/Delete Message Reply w/Quote
#10 Report this post to a moderator
Support Apolyton, buy Alpha Centauri

Well until they used hops I would contend they didn't have real civilized society.

shawnmmcc is offline shawnmmcc
Prince

Jan 2003
time: 00:32
  Old Post 03-04-2005 00:54
Edit/Delete Message Reply w/Quote
#11 Report this post to a moderator
Got spare money?

This thread is becoming un-beerable.

shawnmmcc is offline shawnmmcc
Prince

Jan 2003
time: 00:32
  Old Post 03-04-2005 00:57
Edit/Delete Message Reply w/Quote
#12 Report this post to a moderator
Increase the size of your Attachments

Hoppies - at least according to the little angel in my avatar.

Sava is offline Sava
King
GO GO GO!
Mar 2001
time: 23:32
  Old Post 03-04-2005 03:47
Edit/Delete Message Reply w/Quote
#13 Report this post to a moderator
Support Apolyton, buy Civilization: The Boardgame

quote:
Originally posted by Dissident
and I thought this would be about cannabis...

Wernazuma III is offline Wernazuma III
Emperor
Decolonize!
Aug 2000
time: 06:32
  Old Post 03-04-2005 13:33 Visit Wernazuma III's homepage!
Edit/Delete Message Reply w/Quote
#14 Report this post to a moderator
Help yourself to an AD-FREE life

I thought it was about potatoes.

Dis is offline Dis
Emperor
Las Vegas, Nevada
Feb 2000
time: 21:32
  Old Post 03-04-2005 13:35 Visit Dis's homepage!
Edit/Delete Message Reply w/Quote
#15 Report this post to a moderator
Support Apolyton, pre-order Civilization IV

okay time for my votes.

my favourite food plant: wheat

my favourite non food plant: pine tree (there's several different kinds, I like em all)

Sandman is offline Sandman
Prince
Sinister Penguin
Aug 2001
time: 05:32
  Old Post 03-04-2005 13:56
Edit/Delete Message Reply w/Quote
#16 Report this post to a moderator
Support Apolyton, pre-order Civilization IV

Coffee.

chegitz guevara is offline chegitz guevara
King
Ft. Lauderdale, FL Communist Party of Apolyton
Jun 2000
time: 00:32
  Old Post 03-04-2005 14:07 Visit chegitz guevara's homepage!
Edit/Delete Message Reply w/Quote
#17 Report this post to a moderator
Avatar Enlargement: We've got the solution

Potatoes, however, contributed to our population explosion, as they can grow a lot of calories in rather marginal land. And it's an easily digestible starch, also.

Az is offline Az
King
MACEDONIA - It's the name of the sovereign country to the north of Greece
Apr 2000
time: 07:32
  Old Post 03-04-2005 14:09
Edit/Delete Message Reply w/Quote
#18 Report this post to a moderator
Get a bigger avatar today!

che's potato argument is winning me over.

Dis is offline Dis
Emperor
Las Vegas, Nevada
Feb 2000
time: 21:32
  Old Post 03-04-2005 14:14 Visit Dis's homepage!
Edit/Delete Message Reply w/Quote
#19 Report this post to a moderator
Tired of ads?

french fries suck

Ramo is offline Ramo
King
Austin, Texas, USA
Oct 1999
time: 23:32
  Old Post 03-04-2005 14:16 Visit Ramo's homepage!
Edit/Delete Message Reply w/Quote
#20 Report this post to a moderator
Support Apolyton buy from Amazon

quote:
and I thought this would be about cannabis...


At the least, barley or grape fine..

chegitz guevara is offline chegitz guevara
King
Ft. Lauderdale, FL Communist Party of Apolyton
Jun 2000
time: 00:32
  Old Post 03-04-2005 14:18 Visit chegitz guevara's homepage!
Edit/Delete Message Reply w/Quote
#21 Report this post to a moderator
Support Apolyton or Terrorists Win

I have this cool book about American food plants: potatoes, new world beans, peppers, tomatoes, chocolate, vanilla, amaranth, qinoa, and maize.

Amaranth and qinoa are both extensively used in Latin America, but haven't made it out yet. qinoa is a grain that's extremely high in protein, and amaranth is a grain and leafy vegitable that's very nutricious.

Most of the beans we think of are actually from the New World. Only mung, fava, and soy are old world beans. Everything else, including green beans, are from or were developed from, new world beans.

Proteus_MST is offline Proteus_MST
Prince

Dec 2001
time: 06:32
  Old Post 03-04-2005 14:23
Edit/Delete Message Reply w/Quote
#22 Report this post to a moderator
Support Apolyton, buy GURPS/ Alpha Centauri

quote:
Originally posted by Sandman
Coffee.


Yep, IŽd go with this,
or with Nicotiana tabacum (although I donŽt smoke).
Both had throughout the world a very strong influence on Culture.

chegitz guevara is offline chegitz guevara
King
Ft. Lauderdale, FL Communist Party of Apolyton
Jun 2000
time: 00:32
  Old Post 03-04-2005 14:24 Visit chegitz guevara's homepage!
Edit/Delete Message Reply w/Quote
#23 Report this post to a moderator
Full PM-box? Change here!

You know, a very strong argument can be made for pepper.

Ramo is offline Ramo
King
Austin, Texas, USA
Oct 1999
time: 23:32
  Old Post 03-04-2005 14:25 Visit Ramo's homepage!
Edit/Delete Message Reply w/Quote
#24 Report this post to a moderator
Browse Apolyton AD-FREE

But that's not a single. plant. Cayenne? No, that doens't make sense. since it's S Americna. It'd probably have to South Asian probably.

Starchild is offline Starchild
Emperor
a raving alcoholic drama queen with a penchant for the biosciences
Jan 1970
time: 00:32
  Old Post 03-04-2005 15:51
Edit/Delete Message Reply w/Quote
#25 Report this post to a moderator
Support Apolyton, buy Galactic Civilizations

quote:
Originally posted by chegitz guevara
Amaranth and qinoa are both extensively used in Latin America, but haven't made it out yet. qinoa is a grain that's extremely high in protein, and amaranth is a grain and leafy vegitable that's very nutricious.


Qinoa hasn't made it out yet? The box of it sitting in my kitchen is very odd then.

Az is offline Az
King
MACEDONIA - It's the name of the sovereign country to the north of Greece
Apr 2000
time: 07:32
  Old Post 03-04-2005 15:55
Edit/Delete Message Reply w/Quote
#26 Report this post to a moderator
Avatar Enlargement: We've got the solution

You don't count.

Starchild is offline Starchild
Emperor
a raving alcoholic drama queen with a penchant for the biosciences
Jan 1970
time: 00:32
  Old Post 03-04-2005 16:04
Edit/Delete Message Reply w/Quote
#27 Report this post to a moderator
Support Apolyton, buy Civilization: The Boardgame

Of course I count. Normally, I'm the only one of any importance to count.

Provost Harrison is offline Provost Harrison
Emperor
The farce is strong with this one.
Feb 2000
time: 05:32
  Old Post 03-04-2005 17:08
Edit/Delete Message Reply w/Quote
#28 Report this post to a moderator
Increase the size of your Attachments

Ah yes, the pepper, my favourite of the vegetables. Not necessarily my most eaten vegetable but it is versatile. Always use it in my curries, stir fries and, well, anything else I can think where it would fit

Now hemp is an interesting one - it is a shame it is not used industrially as it's applications are endless and far, far more efficient (it's future as a source for the manufacture of fuels is amazing). It looks like protectionism has got in the way of this getting established...

shawnmmcc is offline shawnmmcc
Prince

Jan 2003
time: 00:32
  Old Post 03-04-2005 17:09
Edit/Delete Message Reply w/Quote
#29 Report this post to a moderator
Help yourself to an AD-FREE life

Actually, all peppper's used in modern cuisine come pretty much from those two root species I mention, which are very possible the same plant domesticated multiple times in the Americas. All those peppers in Asian quisine - since 1600. If you look at most if not all major cuisines throughout the world, the pepper plant has been incorporated in all of them.

molly bloom is offline molly bloom
Prince
Lundenwic
Oct 2001
time: 15:32
  Old Post 03-04-2005 17:30
Edit/Delete Message Reply w/Quote
#30 Report this post to a moderator
Re: The plant that changed the world Support Apolyton, pre-order Civilization IV

quote:
Originally posted by shawnmmcc
Everyone grows it, everyone eats it, and everyone has it in their cuisine in one way or another - even the British! (please note, some philistine will find some outlandish exception to this, like maybe the cuisine of Greenland - to which I intellectually reply - ).




Could I just point out shawn, that even in jest this continual denigration of the British cuisine and palate is rather tiresome...


And may I also point out that the Venerable Bede thought so highly of peppercorns (and indeed they were so highly prized in England and Europe at the time) that they are specifically mentioned as being an item left in his will.

' Bede died in his cell at the monastery in the year 735. Cuthbert, a young monk who was with him later wrote an account of his death. He describes how Bede finished dictating a chapter of a book which he was composing. Then he said "I have a few treasures in my box, some pepper and napking and incense. Run quickly and fetch the priests of our monastery, and I will share among them such little presents as God has given me." '

from:

http://www.bedesworld.co.uk/academic-bede.php


May I also add my vote for the potato, which as the Spaniards found out through the Incas was both tasty, nutritious and filling, and could also be freeze dried and stored.

As Frederick the Great found, he could wage war across German territory and Central Europe and not cause famine (as had happened during earlier conflicts involving German states and territories) because the potato was relatively undamaged by the course of rampaging armies, as it lay underground.

It was also partly responsible for the explosive population growth in Ireland and the Great Britain (unlike other crops being relatively unaffected by the occasionally dreary climate in the north of the United Kingdom) and has penetrated the cuisines of countries as diverse as Ireland, Japan and Nepal, India, South Africa and Morocco. The potato blight resulted in the great Irish diaspora which did have an effect on American history as I recall....

It also fed the growing population of industrial workers in Belgium, the Netherlands, northern France and the Rhineland. It's even said, quel horreur! that some people make hard liquor out of it....

Wheat and oats also greatly effected the course of history in Western and Central Europe, but I too will plump for the humble spud and leave the cereals for breakfast.

 
Pages (2): [ 1   2   ]
< Last Thread     Next Thread > Post New Thread     Post A Reply
All times are GMT. The time now is 05:32.
Apolyton Time is 00:32.
    top of page
Rate This Thread:
Forum Jump:
Forum Rules:
You may not post new threads
You may not post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts
HTML code is ON
vB code is ON
Smilies are ON
[IMG] code is ON
 




Contact Us - Apolyton Civilization Site - Support Us!

Building a better Apolyton through better information. Click here and take our poll!
Non-US visitors, click here!

Powered by: vBulletin Version 2.0.3
Copyright ©2000, 2001, Jelsoft Enterprises Limited.

Page generated in 0.0626 seconds (93.25% PHP - 6.75% MySQL) with 30 queries
Page Loading Time:

Support Apolyton: Amazon USA | Amazon UK | Amazon DE | Amazon FR |
Support Apolyton and get FREE PLUS, Buy from Chips&Bits: Galactic Civilizations | Galactic Civilizations: Deluxe Edition | Call to Power 2 | Civilization: The Boardgame | GURPS/ Alpha Centauri | Alpha Centauri | Civilization IV | Civilization III: Complete |


Front Page | Civilization IV | Civilization III | Civilization II | Call to Power II | Alpha Centauri | Master of Orion III
Rise of Nations | Galactic Civilizations | Galactic Civilizations II | Misc
Alt.Civs | Civ I | C:CtP I | About | News | Directory | Apolyton Store | Forums | Chat | Columns | Interviews | Newsletter
Scenario League | CSC | Clash of Civs | Spanish Site | CtP Maps | Cradle of Civ | WesW's Ctp1/2 Site | Civ3 Haven

apolyton.net | apolyton.com | civilization2.net | civilization3.net | civilization4.net | civilizationiv.info | calltopower.net | galciv.net | galciv2.net | moo3.net