06-04-2005 08:55									#61
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Here comes an MBT thread...

	06-04-2005 09:01									#62
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quote: Originally posted by Drake Tungsten Here comes an MBT thread...

Nahhhh.... MTG isn't around. It just wouldn't be right to start one without him.

	06-04-2005 10:00									#63
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quote: Originally posted by Urban Ranger Including Hirohito Though I don't think that's entirely his decision. The US wanted to keep the bastards around to "contain" communism.

Exactly, its ridiculous to not blame him for not reigning in the military, he wasn't THAT powerless.

	06-04-2005 11:33									#64
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quote: Originally posted by Dr Strangelove Nahhhh.... MTG isn't around. It just wouldn't be right to start one without him.

T-34!

No! King Tiger!!!!

OMG Leapard PWNZ Abrams!!!!

	06-04-2005 11:51									#65
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T34 pwnz all

Of course the allies biggest mistake was not appointing me or one of the other geeks around here Supreme Commander

	06-04-2005 11:58									#66
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quote: Originally posted by Joseph At the end of the war, Feb., March, April, and May the US sent in the M26 Pershing with a 90mm gun and the few battle it was in they won.

Yea, my uncle drove one across Remagen bridge in 1945 during the battle there. It was his third tank of the war, his first two were Shermans and were destroyed. IIRC only about 20 Pershings were delivered in time to take part in significant combat operations, 10 to the First Army and 10 to the Third Army.

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quote: Originally posted by DeathByTheSword quote: The failure to design and build in numbers a decent medium or heavy tank in the latter stages of the war (Anglo-Americans only). cant agree with that the british and the US had a totally different approach to tank building then the germans or the russians....yes one on one the german tank won (certainly if the allied tank still had a to small of a gun which was a big mistake) but the sherman tank was perfect because the could build a lot very fast (bigger tank takes more time) and it was fast...i believe most allied tanks werent build to take on enemy tanks they had special tanks for that..the m-18 and so on...the allied tank of WWII wasnt a main-battle tank because they didnt want one

I agree with much of what you say, I just think it was shortsighted to develop a tank to match rather than exceed the current enemy design. It assures you that at best you'll have parity, but in all likelihood your design will be inferior. Had the allies adopted the same methods with aircraft, shipping, artillery etc. the war might well have gone a lot worse than it did.

	06-04-2005 13:19									#68
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Dunno guys, I play SP:WAW 8.3 quite a lot, and I can tell you - Centurion MKIII PWNZ ALL!!!

Including IS-4 and King Tiger

	06-04-2005 19:41									#69
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quote: Originally posted by Dr Strangelove MacArthur decided to not bomb the Japanese on December 8 because he had no reconnaissance of Japanese air and naval facilities on Taiwan. Without time to prepare for the mission odds were against his bombers finding a suitable target.

His own air officer thought a bombing raid would be doable. As it was, his bombers were destroyed, and never found any suitable targets.

	06-04-2005 19:44									#70
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quote: Originally posted by Alexander's Horse This is all hidnsight driven. If you have a look at a map of East Asia the strategic significance of the Philippines becomes very clear. By taking it Japan's forces in SEA were cut off from mainland Japan, as were the sea lanes for strategic resources like oil and rubber. Now, you can say the Navy and air force could have achieved this without the Philippines and there is some truth in that too but this was not known at the time. Thats what I mean by hindsight.

It was not known at the time, except Admiral Nimitz somehow DID know it at the time.

	06-04-2005 19:46									#71
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quote: Originally posted by Alexander's Horse That's true but the Philippine operation was not launched to salvage Macarthur's reputation. Roosevelt and the Joint Chiefs would never have sanctioned a prestige operation like that. The Philippines were also going to be the major base for invasion operations against Japan and elsewhere. You couldn't base a fullscale invasion of Japan out of Okinawa and Iwo Jima. There's a reason why the US hung onto Clarke Field and Subic Bay for so long after the war, they were very high value strategic assets.

1. FDR was under heavy pressure from pro-MacArthur Republican pols.

2. Under the Navy plan, Taiwan was to have been the base for the invasion of Japan.

	08-04-2005 10:08									#72
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The winter clothes things is a bit of a myth - the German army had the winter clothes - the problem was they decided to move ammunition forward rather than clothing in October 41 - so they could launch Operation Typhoon

	08-04-2005 11:19									#73
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Guderian in "Panzer General" says they did NOT have winter clothes. Then again, he may have his reasons for not telling the truth.

	08-04-2005 17:17									#74
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quote: Originally posted by Saras Guderian in "Panzer General" says they did NOT have winter clothes. Then again, he may have his reasons for not telling the truth.

The difference was that Guderian was in Russia while the clothing was in Germany.

	08-04-2005 17:22									#75
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yes I've read Guderian's book - the winter clothes were sitting in warehouses in Germany

	08-04-2005 17:24									#76
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quote: Originally posted by Urban Ranger That's no other explanation for the deployment of the troops near the border.

I can think of at least one other very good reason...

	08-04-2005 20:23									#77
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I misread AH's post. Silly me.