04-04-2005 17:05									#31
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quote: Originally posted by MikeH It's Card Sharp. Sad that so many people think it's shark, and that even other languages stole the wrong one.

In all fairness, ripping off "Card sharp" into Finnish would be a tad more difficult than with "Card shark". The latter invokes a much more substantial mental image and a metaphore, and since it uses the name for an animal it's altogether easier to convert to Finnish.

	04-04-2005 18:28									#32
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Obviously its 'sharp'. WTF would a 'card shark' be? A big fish that attacks gambling houses. A 'sharp' is an old english term for a swindler. I'm surprised we weren't ax-ed what the real word is. Americans!

	04-04-2005 18:34									#33
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Exactly.

	04-04-2005 21:45									#34
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Card Shark: 1980s short lived game show, not even respectful enough to be syndicated at 2am on the Game Show Network

Card Sharp: A hustler, H-U-S-T-L-E-R Hustler!

	04-04-2005 21:58									#35
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I always thought it was shark. As in a predator, feeding on the other players, as already mentioned.

	04-04-2005 22:09									#36
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Bah, I voted Shark, because that is the usage that is most commonly used, even if "incorrect".

	05-04-2005 03:36									#37
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To all the people who say it's card sharp. Does that mean that it's pool sharp too? I don't care what wiki says. It's shark.

	05-04-2005 04:04									#38
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I had never even heard of either of these two terms.

	05-04-2005 04:45									#39
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sharp

	05-04-2005 05:16									#40
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To all who voted "Card Shark:" I wish you were dead.

	05-04-2005 05:21									#41
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Why don't you just change your vote Jaguar?

	05-04-2005 05:22									#42
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The holy poll has spoken.

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	05-04-2005 06:08									#43
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No... seriously. I want to know. Does this mean you guys say pool sharp also?

	05-04-2005 07:08									#44
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Idiots. Card Shark means skilled player. Maybe even a certain type of skilled player, like a predator, hunter. Our word that is the same, Korttihai, means exactly that. For hustler we have lots of other words, but that definitely ain't Korttihai. Maybe these are both legit terms, meaning different things.

Brings to my mind something. I wanted to buy a poker table, but they are freaking expensive!!! MUCHO EXPENSIVE. Would look awesome in my student apartment. No, seriously it would. I also have few friends who play. They play for money though, and I'm not much of a player. But we play texas hold'em every now and them. I always believed it was all about luck, but texas hold'em is a game that has a lot to do with skill also. They wipe me all the time, knowing the odds better and also knowing the good hands, strategies adn stuff like that. It's really fascinating stuff, I should sometimes learn about it more. It is of interest to me. I don't know, run a gambling house out of my place. Poker, craps, could to it the whole 9 yards.. gambling isn't even a serious crime in here, so the only really criminal would be not letting the IRS know about extra income, and then again, that's not a crime in here either. Sometimes I love this country .

	05-04-2005 07:09									#45
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Pool shark isn't related to the term card sharp. So give it a rest.

	05-04-2005 07:15									#46
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quote: Originally posted by Jaguar To all who voted "Card Shark:" I wish you were dead.

I repent! I have been enlightened by this thread, for I had not even heard of the true from of the word until now. I promise to keep this discussion in my mind and only use "card sharp" from now on.

	05-04-2005 07:31									#47
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quote: Originally posted by Pekka They wipe me all the time

Are you sure they wipe you?

	05-04-2005 07:32									#48
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yes, wipe me out. Wipe out the floor with me.

Näppärä ulkkis. Näitä riittää. Nuff said.

	05-04-2005 07:43									#49
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"wipe me out" is correct.

"Wipe the floor with me" would be correct.

"wipe me" is just kinky.

	05-04-2005 07:46									#50
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yes I know. Foreigners are allowed to say them wrong every now and then.

but anyway... card sharp still doesn't make any sense to me. So it's a hustler then? Why sharp? Is it a reference to possibly marking up the cards?

	05-04-2005 07:48									#51
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Sharp = clever, wily.

"He has a sharp wit."

So a card sharp is someone who is "sharp" when it comes to cards. Clever, wily. So he can easily beat less-capable players with tricks.

	05-04-2005 07:51									#52
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ok.

	05-04-2005 07:54									#53
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Thus Pope Pekka I has spoken now and forever amen.

	05-04-2005 07:56									#54
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I don't talk biblical, thus I don't understand you anymore. But thanks, I got the card sharp thing now.

	05-04-2005 07:56									#55
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I didn't know the Pope didn't have to wipe himself. Oh well, I wasn't even nominated.

	06-04-2005 17:30									#56
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quote: Originally posted by Kassiopeia Well, it's possible "sharp" got bastardised first and only then did we steal it as "shark".

Exactamundo! Sharp was a general purpose term for people who were skilled or expert at something. Hence the term sharpshooter started as sharp shooter, or expert shooter. I imagine that people misheard the term Card Sharp as Card Shark, and as this term in many ways is more evocative it thrived.

	06-04-2005 17:31									#57
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quote: Originally posted by BustaMike To all the people who say it's card sharp. Does that mean that it's pool sharp too? I don't care what wiki says. It's shark.

Both are acceptable today, though there is a slight difference in meaning.

	06-04-2005 18:58									#58
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It's card sharp.


A card shark would get soggy.

	06-04-2005 21:11									#59
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quote: Originally posted by molly bloom It's card sharp. A card shark would get soggy.

	07-04-2005 19:40									#60
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Actually this phrase intrigued me slightly.

' SHARP ' actually has other meanings, such as keen, barely honest or quick perception.

A ' SHARP/ener ' or ' SHARP/er ' is another term for a cheat.

' CARDSHARP/er ' (all one word), was a term used for a person who cheated at cards- similarly in British English, where ' SHARP ' practice is immoral/unethical behaviour.


Card shark on the other hand, is just plain daft.