04-04-2005 22:03									#1
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Or the planning stages, or whenever, what were some initial ideas that were cut or changed?

*Santiago was originally supposed to be a man.
*There were something different with the Peacekeepers.
*I know for sure that Yang's and Zakharov's symbols were different.

What else?

	04-04-2005 22:15									#2
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http://apolyton.net/forums/showthre...+it+looked+like
A thread with old SMAC screenshots. Somewhat related to the thread.
If I had some time, I could talk about ages about everything that was cut out.

	04-04-2005 22:20									#3
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I believe they dropped the idea of different typesof weapons that would have difefrent bonuses against different types of armour

	04-04-2005 22:24									#4
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Some "remains" and weird lines in script.txt:

#TOOMUCHENERGY
#xs 320
#caption Chief Engineer
That choice would exceed this chassis's energy rating.

#NOCHARGE
#xs 400
#caption Operations Director
This unit has expended its special ability charge. To recharge,
it must spend a complete turn resting at a friendly base.

#FEATURE
#xs 440
#caption Things that make you go UNH.
Feature not yet implemented.

#BETAFEATURE
#xs 440
#caption Things that make you go UNH.
This feature is disabled for this test release.

#HYPERSTIM
#xs 400
#caption Operations Director
Hyperstimulants activated! Unit's movement rate doubled until end of
turn. Unit can opt to use "skip" (space bar) command to expend
hyperstimulants and repair all damage.

#POLYMER
#xs 400
#caption Operations Director
Polymer adhesives placed! Movement into/through this area impeded.

#FUNGICIDE
#xs 400
#caption Operations Director
Fungicide activated! Area cleared.

#VOICE
#xs 400
#caption Operations Director
Subliminal Coercion activated! Select action:

Force target to attack.
Force target to retreat.

#VOICEFIZZLE
#xs 400
#caption Operations Director
Subliminal Coercion attempt fails.

#BUYPROTO0
#xs 440
#caption $CAPTION7
"It cost me a pretty penny to develop the $LASERCRAWLERPROTOTYPE0.
Are you willing to part with $NUM0 energy credits for the plans?"

"Never mind."
Pay $NUM0 energy credits.

#BUYPROTOHIGH0
#xs 440
#caption $CAPTION7
"It cost me a pretty penny to develop the $LASERCRAWLERPROTOTYPE0.
You'll have to come up with $NUM0 energy credits before I'll part
with those plans."

#PROTOPACT
#xs 440
#caption $CAPTION7
"I am pleased to report that my engineers have completed
the new $UNITTYPE0 prototype ($STATS1)! The first units are entering service
now. Would you care to share prototype data?"

"No. My prototype data is too sensitive."
"Yes, let us combine our prototyping efforts!"

#NEVERBASESWAP
#xs 440
#caption $CAPTION7
"I shall never allow your wretched minions to defile the
domes of even the least of my beautiful bases." - if it wasn't for the bug...

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	04-04-2005 22:40									#5
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quote: Originally posted by MysticWind Or the planning stages, or whenever, what were some initial ideas that were cut or changed? *Santiago was originally supposed to be a man. *There were something different with the Peacekeepers. *I know for sure that Yang's and Zakharov's symbols were different. What else?

I digged up my old computer magazine in which they wrote about game in development, SMAC, . Among interesting things: Believers are called the Conclave, Hive is the Labyrinth, University is Archon, Peacekeepers are just Keepers. It looks like Hive's and Peace logo switched places, University's has a wrench featured on it, and one of strengths of Archon is listed as skillful engineering and support. It also has a wastly different graphic.

It is featured also in system.txt:
95, ALIEN RED--NOT REALLY USED.
142, GAIAN GREEN
250, LABYRINTH BLUE ;This was 208. No longer any good?? jsc
62, ARCHON WHITE
241, MORGAN YELLOW
70, SPARTAN BLACK
219, CONCLAVIST ORANGE
227, KEEPER PURPLE
208, TEST COLOR

	04-04-2005 23:34									#6
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Any more info about the earlier factions and storyline and characters?

	05-04-2005 00:36									#7
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I do love the old look

	05-04-2005 01:14									#8
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Just a while ago there were some cool screenshots of the original and older versions...amazing...

I would like to see those polymer adhesives...land mines baby! Perhaps they wouldn't affect hovertanks?

And stimulants? Can you say...STEROIDS!!

	05-04-2005 03:32									#9
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quote: Originally posted by Commy Just a while ago there were some cool screenshots of the original and older versions...amazing... I would like to see those polymer adhesives...land mines baby! Perhaps they wouldn't affect hovertanks? And stimulants? Can you say...STEROIDS!!

The change I would like would be sea sensors. I hate the micromanagement necessary to maintain an adequate patrol of the sea particularly once those cruisers are going 9 tiles. I think a seaformer or even a probeship or warship should have the ability to plant sea sensors

	05-04-2005 05:38									#10
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Easy. Just mod alphax.txt so you can build sensors in teh sea.

	05-04-2005 09:09									#11
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quote: Originally posted by Senethro Easy. Just mod alphax.txt so you can build sensors in teh sea.

Apparently it doesn't work though since the game doesn't see the sea as being part of your territory and sensors only work inside your territory and putting a seabase nearby defeats the whole idea

	05-04-2005 17:59									#12
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Doesn't SMACX extend coastal bases territory out to sea? If so, you can at least put them at the limit of your territory.
Not much, but better than nothing!

	05-04-2005 18:42									#13
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Coastal bases extend your territory out to sea a distance of 1 tile. Hardly worth using for sensors, really.

	05-04-2005 21:23									#14
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Could you somehow increase the sea tile territory radius in the alpha(x).txt for costal bases ?

	06-04-2005 04:06									#15
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Only by increasing all territory radii:
8, ; Territory: max distance from base (ie, a land base)
A change in this lin proportionally affects sea base and coastal bas radii as well.
Problem is you can hardly eg double the land territory radius to get some extra sea territory: then you could claim an entire continent by building a single base on it.

	06-04-2005 04:15									#16
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quote: Originally posted by Maniac Only by increasing all territory radii: 8, ; Territory: max distance from base (ie, a land base) A change in this lin proportionally affects sea base and coastal bas radii as well. Problem is you can hardly eg double the land territory radius to get some extra sea territory: then you could claim an entire continent by building a single base on it.

Maniac

Would this fix increase the sea territory of a coastal (on land) base?? If it doesn't , you are still stuck building seabases which are vulnerable in a direction that you wanted a sensor because you feared what might be out there

	06-04-2005 04:17									#17
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Oddly, increasing territory via alphax.txt doesn't seem to extend territory for the purposes of pacifism drones.

	06-04-2005 05:17									#18
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quote: Originally posted by Flubber Would this fix increase the sea territory of a coastal (on land) base?? If it doesn't , you are still stuck building seabases which are vulnerable in a direction that you wanted a sensor because you feared what might be out there

I just tested it, and it appears the sea territory of a coastal base isn't affected after all: it just stays one. I guess that's because the people who made SMAC made lots of stuff customizable, while the people who made SMAX (different ones IIRC) hardcoded more stuff. IIRC sea borders of land bases were added in SMAX, and were thus not linked to that editable value in alphax.txt.

Territory of sea bases is affected though: it's always half of the land territory radius value. So if you set the territory value to 16 (and accept that you most likely won't be able to build bases on a continent another faction occupies), you'd have sea territory of 8, which in combination with sensors should be enough to spot incoming cruisers. You still have to build sea bases, but I assume in the end it would be less micromanagement than a sea patrol.

	06-04-2005 05:29									#19
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...anyone else find it slightly endearing that the SMAC team left all those 'extras' in?

	06-04-2005 07:43									#20
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Thanks maniac

	06-04-2005 08:52									#21
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Provost Mango
I'm sure glad they changed that.

	06-04-2005 18:21									#22
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Now I'll forever have he image of Chris Kattan as head of the University. Actually, there is some resembelence there...

	06-04-2005 22:55									#23
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quote: Originally posted by fender Provost Mango I'm sure glad they changed that.

I hope that was the name of the betatester who took screenshots since that is a pretty silly name. But then again, we may learn of Chairman Kiwi, Colonel Pineapple, Lady ElderBerry, CEO Citrus, Comissioner Watermelon and Sister Grapefruit.

	06-04-2005 23:21									#24
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quote: Originally posted by Illuminatus I hope that was the name of the betatester who took screenshots since that is a pretty silly name. But then again, we may learn of Chairman Kiwi, Colonel Pineapple, Lady ElderBerry, CEO Citrus, Comissioner Watermelon and Sister Grapefruit.

Brings a whole new meaning to 'For I Have Tasted The Fruit'

I look forward to reading the 'Spartan Salad Manual', 'We Must Piment(o)' and 'Our Secret PawPaw'.

...I'm going to go commit hara-kiri now.

	07-04-2005 04:38									#25
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Wow......now just try that with vegetables, or names of canned soups...

	07-04-2005 12:35									#26
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'Essays on Heinz and Carrots'?

	07-04-2005 12:40									#27
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No Mango for you!

	07-04-2005 20:02									#28
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quote: Originally posted by Illuminatus I hope that was the name of the betatester who took screenshots since that is a pretty silly name. But then again, we may learn of Chairman Kiwi, Colonel Pineapple, Lady ElderBerry, CEO Citrus, Comissioner Watermelon and Sister Grapefruit.

Colonel Pineapple did it, with the wrench, in the library!

.....why the f*@k is there a wrench in the library anyway? Was somebody tighening the bolts on the books??! This game makes no f#@king sense! I quit!!


.......oh wait, wrong game. Nevermind.

	08-04-2005 03:15									#29
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Maintaining the holoprojector for the holobooks?

	08-04-2005 19:05									#30
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I guess that would make sense if they are still selling "Clue" in 2060, that'll make sense. But still, why would you need a bolt that big for any kinda of portable electronics?