07-04-2005 18:20									#91
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The BBC has their wonderful swing-o-meter or something like that that shows how far the polls have to swing to change to composition of Parliament. A 10% swing is needed in favour of the Tory's to bring them the slightest majority. The poor Lib Dems need large chunks of England to cease to exist to get anywhere useful.

	07-04-2005 18:21									#92
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quote: Originally posted by Starchild The poor Lib Dems need large chunks of England to cease to exist to get anywhere useful.

I propose Billericay and Milton Keynes for shipping to another dimension.

	07-04-2005 18:47									#93
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quote: Originally posted by Provost Harrison That really doesn't sound like a particularly natural alliance...

probably not, the coalition (tories/lib dems/independents) works in swansea because it is motivated almost entirely by a desire to keep labour and the welsh nationalists out of power. personally i can't think of a more laudable aim.

	07-04-2005 18:56									#94
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Aaaaw, Let the Plaid Cymru in. Who have they ever hurt?

I've got a soft spot of seperatist movements.

	07-04-2005 18:58									#95
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	07-04-2005 19:01									#96
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quote: Originally posted by Starchild I've got a soft spot of seperatist movements.

Like the F.L.Q. ?

	07-04-2005 19:02									#97
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quote: Originally posted by molly bloom I propose Billericay and Milton Keynes for shipping to another dimension.

We should be able to outsource them to EDS like everything else

	07-04-2005 19:03									#98
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Yeah. I think they're all a bunch on insane a-holes but they're cute in their own twisted way.

Besides, UKIP is just an English seperatist movement. English people wanting to join in the fun the Welsh and Scots are having yet so thoroughly dominate this island they can't play here so they turn against Big Scary Brussels.

	07-04-2005 19:05									#99
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quote: Originally posted by Starchild Yeah. I think they're all a bunch on insane a-holes but they're cute in their own twisted way.

Unless they 'accidentally' kill you, or burn down your house, of course.

Not that anyone in Plaid Cymru would ever be associated with anyone in Meibion Glyndwr who might have done such a terrible thing, or course...

	07-04-2005 19:11									#100
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I've been accidently killed many a time. Only the first time is really unpleasant.

	07-04-2005 19:20									#101
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quote: Originally posted by Starchild I've been accidently killed many a time. Only the first time is really unpleasant.

Ah, falling under Ann Widdecombe in a bouncy castle.

Tout compris, baby.

	07-04-2005 19:34									#102
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lots of people seem keen to knock Blairs new labour, but at the same time many are just resigned to then winning again, or will say that they are going to vote labour again? I don't understand that attitude at all?
Whats wrong with people - we have the power to vote for whom we want(or as this election may turn out, whom we wouldn't want to win ).


hmmm....i wonder if Ted Striker would want to hit it with Ann

	07-04-2005 19:43									#103
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quote: Originally posted by child of Thor hmmm....i wonder if Ted Striker would want to hit it with Ann

He certainly wouldn't want to be hit by her- definitely not at speed.


Love that slinky lounge seductress top she's wearing, over what appears to be some of the Mendip Hills.

	07-04-2005 21:02									#104
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Danger is... if too many people vote Lib Dem the evil Tories might get in.

Bad as Blair might be, they are worse.

	07-04-2005 21:05									#105
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quote: Originally posted by MikeH Danger is... if too many people vote Lib Dem the evil Tories might get in. Bad as Blair might be, they are worse.

But I have such fond memories of mass unemployment, urban riots, a tide of sleaze and boom-bust economics.


Don't you get all warm thinking of Leon Brittan, Brixton and Toxteth, Westland, Nigel Lawson and Norman Tebbit ?

	07-04-2005 21:19									#106
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I'm alright. I vote in a Tory safe seat which has zero chance of a non-Tory winning (thanks a ton Suffolk Coastal) so I can afford to vote Lib Dem.

Its you people in the contested seats that have to make the hard moral choices.

	07-04-2005 21:23									#107
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I know.

I can't vote for Martin Salter though. He's a cnut.

	07-04-2005 21:31									#108
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quote: Originally posted by MikeH Danger is... if too many people vote Lib Dem the evil Tories might get in. Bad as Blair might be, they are worse.

......Or maybe the orange/yellow menace might win it! coooo....imagine that, historic for sure, maybe whisky would get a tax break

	07-04-2005 21:55									#109
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Think about me. 2nd Safest Lib-Dem seat in the country! They don't even care about my vote here, they've got this seat in the bag

	07-04-2005 22:05									#110
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quote: Originally posted by MikeH Danger is... if too many people vote Lib Dem the evil Tories might get in. Bad as Blair might be, they are worse.

That's ****ing impossible. They're polling lower than Labor and the way that first past the post hurts them they'll need a good bit more votes than Labour in order to get more seats than Labour. So that'll be very very hard. But even if they get more seats then Labour, a Tory majority is inconcievable since in Wales, Scottland and a number of places in English they don't even have a chance...

	08-04-2005 01:27									#111
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quote: Originally posted by molly bloom But I have such fond memories of mass unemployment, urban riots, a tide of sleaze and boom-bust economics. Don't you get all warm thinking of Leon Brittan, Brixton and Toxteth, Westland, Nigel Lawson and Norman Tebbit ?

Before Labour were elected in 1997, did you have warm, fuzzy and nostalgic feelings about the winter of discontent, mass unemployment, the rubbish piling up in the street and the dead not being buried?

	08-04-2005 01:40									#112
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quote: Originally posted by MikeH Danger is... if too many people vote Lib Dem the evil Tories might get in. Bad as Blair might be, they are worse.

My MP (a Tory) has a majority of less than 300. The seat is number two on the Lib Dem's most wanted list, after Taunton.

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/shared/vote...ndlosses_ld.stm

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quote: Originally posted by MikeH I can't vote for Martin Salter though. He's a cnut.

If, for one, welcome England's new Viking overlords. As a renowned online personality, I could be useful in get others to slave in their tight subterranean halls.

	08-04-2005 01:56									#114
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http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/shared/vote2005/html/420.stm

That would be the constituency tht I would be voting in, if it weren't for the fact that my 17th birthday is the Friday before the election...My vote would not count anyway...

quote: Nonetheless, traditional Potteries Labour support seems strongly embedded here, with the majority not falling below 2,500 even at Labour's nadir in the 1983 general election.

	08-04-2005 02:34									#115
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So in short, no matter how unpopular the war in Iraq allegedly is amongst the British people nothing is going to get done about it because just like here in the USA no one really cares that much, right?

	08-04-2005 02:47									#116
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Well no. Of all the people i've spoken to about this, not just friends/family, but people like my dentist and those i meet through work; then i dont think it will be the case.

I'm not voting for Tony Blair(and i have done before) exactly because of Iraq, and the other people i've spoken to say the same.
Somehow i just don't find him trustworthy enough. That smile of his is just too easy to see through now imho, its the smile of a deceiver

So the consensus i've got is that many ex-labour supporters are going for the liberals this time. We're mostly what i guess you could call the well to do middle-class?

Anyway i dont believe all this pollstering stuff too much, we'll have to wait for the day and see how it goes. Even a much reduced majority in parliment would be a good result in one respect.

	08-04-2005 04:18									#117
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quote: Originally posted by Dauphin My MP (a Tory) has a majority of less than 300. The seat is number two on the Lib Dem's most wanted list, after Taunton. http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/shared/vote...ndlosses_ld.stm

Well this seat looks like once upon a time it used to be safe Tory territory but now is a safe Labour seat...intriguing...

	09-04-2005 14:40									#118
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quote: Originally posted by Dauphin Before Labour were elected in 1997, did you have warm, fuzzy and nostalgic feelings about the winter of discontent, mass unemployment, the rubbish piling up in the street and the dead not being buried?

Or power cuts during Edward Heath's government ?

Or Tory defence cuts that led to a needless war in the South Atlantic so that men could die to save Thatcher's face ?

And Thatcher so beat Labour on the number of unemployed. Please.

	09-04-2005 14:42									#119
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the German tories (CDU) even lost this bourgeois-reactionary-rich people seat of Steglitz to the social democrats in 2002

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quote: Originally posted by molly bloom Or power cuts during Edward Heath's government ? Or Tory defence cuts that led to a needless war in the South Atlantic so that men could die to save Thatcher's face ? And Thatcher so beat Labour on the number of unemployed. Please.

If you are to judge the Tories on their actions 20 years ago why can't we judge Labour on their actions that were 20 years ago too?