07-04-2005 23:06									#1
	A good book on WWI Got spare money?

Can someone recommend a good 'all in one' book on World War 1? By 'all in one' I mean causes, political and military movements before, during and after the war, effects after the war, you get the idea....

Nothing too academic (some pictures to colour in would be nice or pehaps a few dot to dots to complete )

	07-04-2005 23:12									#2
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A completely non academic, photo filled, yet very informative little book on WWI is

The Experience of World War I, by J.M. Winter
Oxford University Press, 1989
ISBN 0-19-520776-9

http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/t...=glance&s=books

Its not very new, but in terms of giving you a complete look its great.

	07-04-2005 23:34									#3
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You could always try Keegan's The First World War.

	07-04-2005 23:36									#4
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Keegan is good.

I found A.J.P. Taylor's work on the subject good as well. I think it was simply called "The First World War" but it has been many years so I may be wrong....

	07-04-2005 23:44									#5
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I'm just watching a documentary on the first aircraft carriers used in WW1, you wouldn't believe the footage of some of the landings.....

	07-04-2005 23:47									#6
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Provoked by a JohnT post, I recently got World War I, by Brig. Gen. S.L.A. Marshall, of the AEF. I've just flipped through it so far, but there are plenty of good maps, and what snippets I've read have been pretty good. That said, Keegan is always a good place to start.

	07-04-2005 23:49									#7
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The Keegan and Winter books both get good reader reviews on Amazon and the 2 together come to a nice round £20. Bad news is that there is a 4-6 wait time on the Winter book.

Thanks for the help

	08-04-2005 14:28									#8
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Cool WW1 colour pictures

	08-04-2005 15:28									#9
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that war was forced upon us by France!

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ANNNNNDY!

	08-04-2005 16:58									#11
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So when ever someone posts "WW1" Ecthelion will appear?

If you're interested in tha causes of the war and the opening battles Barbara Tuchman's "Guns of August" makes a good read.

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quote: Originally posted by Solomwi Provoked by a JohnT post, I recently got World War I, by Brig. Gen. S.L.A. Marshall, of the AEF. I've just flipped through it so far, but there are plenty of good maps, and what snippets I've read have been pretty good. That said, Keegan is always a good place to start.

It is a good book, but will appeal primarily to Americans as he describes the late war campaigns involving the Americans ( he was an enlisted man back then) in a lot more detail.

	08-04-2005 17:12									#13
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quote: Originally posted by Sikander It is a good book, but will appeal primarily to Americans as he describes the late war campaigns involving the Americans ( he was an enlisted man back then) in a lot more detail.

I've noticed that. It's like the final 1/4-1/3 of the book is devoted to the AEF.

	09-04-2005 01:43									#14
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Neither the German people nor the emperor ever wanted that war!

	09-04-2005 01:43									#15
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Dr Strangelove - what would it take to build such a doomsday machine?

	09-04-2005 01:44									#16
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quote: Originally posted by Ecthelion Neither the German people nor the emperor ever wanted that war!

Or the other one that you started

	09-04-2005 01:44									#17
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neither did anyone want that one. Poland would have been the last territorial request"""22!11!

	09-04-2005 01:46									#18
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quote: Originally posted by Ecthelion neither did anyone want that one. Poland would have been the last territorial request"""22!11!

Right

	09-04-2005 01:50									#19
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quote: Originally posted by Ecthelion Neither the German people nor the emperor ever wanted that war!

I know you're not being completely serious, but I've always felt that Germany gets unfairly stuck with the responsibility for WW1, especially here in the states. Germany of WW1 was no morally worse than the other empires that they were fighting, nor was it worse than the US.

	09-04-2005 01:51									#20
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Yeah, but if someone really was to pull the effort and get me into serious mode now, even I would probably see a slight idea of the responsible-meter tending toward the German side...

	09-04-2005 01:55									#21
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quote: Originally posted by Ecthelion Yeah, but if someone really was to pull the effort and get me into serious mode now, even I would probably see a slight idea of the responsible-meter tending toward the German side...

I wouldn't. I hold Russia, Austria, and France more responsible than Germany, which is tied with Britain.

The US had no business being in that war, but we went ahead and joined in anyway.

	09-04-2005 02:48									#22
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Austria was so weak and so angry about its own weakness and so trusting in german strength that Germany actually had a responsibility for Austria's actions, like parents have for their kids. carte blanche my arse!

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it's like if you watch your little brother who's looking up to you carve a knife and then become aggressive to other kids. he looks at you to see yoru reaction and all you say is "yeah dude, whatever you do I'm with you" so he begins to stab. they just failed to see the responsibility that lay in their strength.

	09-04-2005 03:06									#24
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quote: Originally posted by Ecthelion it's like if you watch your little brother who's looking up to you carve a knife and then become aggressive to other kids. he looks at you to see yoru reaction and all you say is "yeah dude, whatever you do I'm with you" so he begins to stab. they just failed to see the responsibility that lay in their strength.

I once saw the real reason for the tragedy of WW 1 in a book I inherited from my mother. It was a coloring book she in turn inherited from her mother, who had given it to my grandmother's brother at the turn of the 20th century. It was a coloring book for boys filled with soldiers of most of the nations of the earth at the time. Each page had one or more soldiers in dress uniform to be colored in. The soldiers were striking heoic poses, or chasing natives and savages. Each page also bore a caption praising the martial virtues of the soldiers. The captions were along the lines of: "Here is the stalwart British sergeant ready to die for King and Country." "Here is the brave German soldier defending his beloved Fatherland." It was obvious. These guys were asking for it.

	09-04-2005 03:21									#25
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quote: Originally posted by Wycoff I wouldn't. I hold Russia, Austria, and France more responsible than Germany, which is tied with Britain. The US had no business being in that war, but we went ahead and joined in anyway.

What did France do?

	09-04-2005 03:44									#26
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quote: Originally posted by Last Conformist You could always try Keegan's The First World War.

	09-04-2005 03:47									#27
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quote: Originally posted by Garth Vader What did France do?

They're French, isn't that enough?

That and they backed Russia, which backed Serbia, which gave the Serbians the confidence to reject some of Austria's ultimatums. Before the Russian backing, they were about to agree to all of them (even the infamous allowing Austrians to look around in Serbia).