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Do we change to FM?within the nex two turns (Time out:0 days after 08-04-2005, 01:24)
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Hercules is offline Hercules
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Is it time to go FM for a while?

We have all thought about going FM at some stage, even for just a few turns for the energy and research benefits.

Is next turn the time to switch.?

mart7x5 is offline mart7x5
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Sep 2002
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  Old Post 08-04-2005 03:27
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I voted yes.
I think though that we should do it around in 2 turns, when we have tree farms in Kahlua Probing and Enigma Machine. For the reason, that we will have to hurry it for less. Please note though, we cannot hurry and go Free Market at the same turn, you know why.
We also have now potentially dangerous situation - both KP and EM has ecodamage 7. We should hurry tree farms as soon as possible and even if they are for more than 100 EC. Then accumulate even more production there, to as much as new ecodamage limit allows. It is worth it, since we get rid of the xenofungus growth risk. So I would hurry next turn both tree farms. My estmate is:
EM 100 EC
KP 132 EC
total is 232 and we will be able to do it.
Then in 2168 we have tree farms in KC, KP, EM and are ready for free market - in that turn, 2168.

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  Old Post 08-04-2005 04:11
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Good points Mart.

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I always thought we had to beat the fungal bloom though to gain the extra Min tolerance.

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  Old Post 08-04-2005 04:28
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Well, then it is good we're still 'at peace' with Yang if all our credits will be spent next turn.

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we will have a small void turns, but then energy will flow, though we will have to increase psych

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Oct 2004
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FM is a want after tree farms.

After TF we do FM and then work some more on defencive units while starting to expand as soon as posible without penalties.

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ok, 4 persons posted here, while there are only 2 votes. Looks like the campaign is not over yet, or this is typical turn out of elections in our times - around 50 % votes

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Now a 75% turn out ie 3 voted.

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Got spare money?

have we had a fungal pop yet?

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foolish_ icarus, how good to hear from you.

eh, in answer to your question: not quite sure.

I was never quite sure whether we had to beat the native life (my view) or just survive attack.

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Yes we have had native life up rising, but not sure if we have to beat them in attack mode or repel them in defence mode, to move to the next Min/ Ec level

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Lose 30 kilos (of popups)

Unfortunatly in the US it is.

with lots of players in the US and Europe we may get one more vote but would not hold my breath

Get ready for debating I guess

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all you need is the 'pop' i thought,then it dosnt matter what happans after that. IIRC my min\eco level always went up even when i hadnt killed them yet,but im not sure

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i voted you can stop holding your breath now forester

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Good to see you still here
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Your vote counts.

GeoModder is offline GeoModder
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Looks like I'm in the wrong faction after all.

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We will make only ecodirt, all those making different will be fined 100 EC/tone of non-ecodirt

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Are the tree farms necessary for psych reasons? Because if it's just about the eco damage and energy, it's probably cheaper to just reterraform.

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Got spare money?

you mean changing present terraforming of tiles around bases?
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I would not go for reterraforming. First, it is waste of the previous terraforming effort to some extent. we optimized tiles for best efficiency. Why to change that now and spent former turns for tiles already done instead of making boreholes for example. Second, we do want large production, if a facility can solve its eco problems, let us build it. We will need it at some point for sure.

The benefits of tree farms are too large to neglect it
- increase of food production
- psych in bases
- economic
- ecodamage elimination.

At point when a tree farm can give enough additional Ec for its upkeep it is the time to have it.

We need large production to have more military units. It is time to build them, we cannot afford to be so weak for much longer.
Boreholes - if worked from cities they will even more contribute to the ecodamage anyway, so we return to the point when we need those tree farms. Both energy and minerals give ecodamage, but minerals more.

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I didn’t mean reassign workers to eliminate ecodamage risk, I meant run the risk of eco damage happening for a little while to make the rush cheaper.

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We plan just that. Rush 2 more tree farms next turn and in 2 turns go for free market. We will have then 3 tree farms in the most developed bases.

We have not decided yet for how long to run free market, but we will see. I would estimate our economy to have like +80 EC/turn in free market for our present turns.
Free market will take away +1 industry bonus. this is 2 EC/row of manufactured item. We haven't decided yet, but this something for further discussion.
- Do we accumulate a lot of EC durning free market and then hurry facilities when we are back in planned maybe?

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