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Well, why not?
Play SIMUL but respect turn order during fights!
Simple.
Solves the problem for slow connections.
Gives room for controlled negotiations etc.
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Yah Raz, I think that is only way.... unless the amazing Cornmaster can write a program to switch it mid game!
It would be obvious if someone moved out of order in many cases.
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</font><font size=1>Originally posted by cavebear on 12-29-2000 09:27 PM</font>
I don't see how that will work unless it can be automated.
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Why not?
When the SIMUL move comes up after the build phase each civ just waits until their turn is due despite the fact their units are active.
EG, we have Romans, Germans and Greeks as humans.
At the beginning of the "humans can move simultaneously" turn, ALL three human civs will see their units active but all have agreed to only move in TURN order during wars. So, Roman's will move first then announce their turn is over, then Germans will move and then Greeks; each pressing enter at the end of their turn. Once the Greeks hit Enter we move on to the next turn.
It's easy, try it out!
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The SIMUL games pretty weird to get used to but I think its ok.
I say you have to formerly declare war before you attack. If someone breaks the rules I'm sure we can find a fitting punishment.
Makes it a little unpredictable tho
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Hey D, after you left last night the host transferred and the game ran very smoothly, which suggests simult is quite stable 
But this idea of turns in war, I don't see the point. Sure, host gets first shot if there is lag, but all that really rewards is a bold commander. If the host commander is a ditherer or hesitates at all, there is no advantage. OTOH, reverting to turns for war only rewards procractinator's because they have the luxury of time to consider attacks, even obvious ones. Why reward slow players?
Also, no attack is without risk, so even though host may seem to have an advantage, sometimes they may be just walking into trouble by firing first. I'm happy to take my chances, host or not. I usuallly find my instinctive move in war is my best move.
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I have a MUCH better use for simultanious option. Set the game on a 100x 100 board. Make a no combat, no diplomatic use restriction till at least 1500 bc on 2 x 2, much longer on 1 x 1 (the boring way to play). Set the timer on 2 mins, move it to 3 mins after 2000 bc. With 7 civs, you can now play the first 50-60 turns in much less then 2 hours. In 3 hours i bet you can play till 1000 bc or before! Everyone gets a chance to grow and develope, form alliances trade and build an army. Very fun, try it..
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</font><font size=1>Originally posted by Alexander's Horse on 12-30-2000 08:49 AM</font>
Hey D, after you left last night the host transferred and the game ran very smoothly, which suggests simult is quite stable
But this idea of turns in war, I don't see the point. Sure, host gets first shot if there is lag, but all that really rewards is a bold commander. If the host commander is a ditherer or hesitates at all, there is no advantage. OTOH, reverting to turns for war only rewards procractinator's because they have the luxury of time to consider attacks, even obvious ones. Why reward slow players?
Also, no attack is without risk, so even though host may seem to have an advantage, sometimes they may be just walking into trouble by firing first. I'm happy to take my chances, host or not. I usuallly find my instinctive move in war is my best move.
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OK AH, I will give it a go.... but easier to take the risk on cable than 56k!
I don't like seeing civ degenerate into a shooter style game though. The reason I like civ is the ability to perfectly plan and execute otherwise I'd play AoE or other RTS games.
To me the big advantage of SIMUL is to fly through the building parts of the game.
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Yeah, see how it goes. I don't see any more disadvantage than that which comes with turn order anyway.
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I'll start working on a program now!!
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Cornmaster, what are you exactly planning to do with this program?
As have already I stated earlier, one can switch between simul and turn based
by changing just one decisive byte between 00 and 01.
The details how to locate it are described under http://apolyton.net/forums/Forum2/HTML/001972.html?3#3
If you could incorporate this approach into your program, the host wouldn't have to bother with starting as a scenario or so. If this flag is preset right, the host doesn't even have to own an adjusted civ.ini!
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