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Parents Balk at Idea of STD Vaccine for Kids

BY ED SILVERMAN
c.2005 Newhouse News Service



At first blush, a vaccine that prevents a deadly form of cancer would seem like a no-brainer for parents.

But as two major drug makers prepare to introduce such a product, sides are already being drawn in what promises to be an all-out culture clash.

Within two years, Merck and GlaxoSmithKline hope to market a pair of groundbreaking vaccines to prevent a sexually transmitted disease. Known as the human papillomavirus, or HPV, the disease is a leading cause of cervical cancer. About 5,000 women in the United States die each year from cervical cancer.

One drug maker, Merck & Co. Inc., says it will try to persuade states to require vaccination of children as young as 12 before they're allowed to start the next year of school.

"The best way to prevent infection is to vaccinate the population just before they become sexually active, which is when they're young," said Eliav Barr, Merck's senior director of biologics clinical research. "This way, it can be folded into routine medical care."

But the rollout of the vaccines promises to be anything but routine. Vaccinating children for a disease caused by sexual activity may be a tough sell, especially among parents who fear children will take it as a green light to have sex.

Public health officials and parents are gearing up for a heated debate about the finer points of cancer prevention, health care costs and teenage sex.

"The best way to prevent HPV is through abstinence," said Bridget Maher, an analyst at the Family Research Council, a conservative group that expects to campaign against making the vaccines mandatory for entering school. "I see potential harm in giving this vaccine to young women."

A Merck study of 2,053 parents released last year found 11 percent of those with 13-year-old girls probably or definitely wouldn't want them vaccinated before their 18th birthday. Another 27 percent were undecided.

A separate study last year in the Journal of Lower Genital Tract Disease found 24 percent of 575 parents opposed a vaccine and believed it would lead children to engage in sexual activity sooner than they would otherwise.

The studies found most parents support vaccinating their children. The results also indicate some parents become supportive after learning about the health benefits or hearing doctors recommend vaccination.

HPV can be transmitted through other forms of sexual contact in addition to intercourse. As parents inclined to oppose vaccination learn this, they may become more supportive, according to a study in the American Journal of Epidemiology.

"This will be an arduous educational mission," said Daron Ferris, a professor of family medicine and obstetrics/gynecology at the Medical College of Georgia who ran trials for the Merck vaccine. "But once they realize we have a vaccine to prevent cancer, I'd expect parents will want to protect their loved ones."

Unlike Glaxo, Merck will also target genital warts with its vaccine. Doctors caution this may fuel more controversy if teenagers see a vaccine as an easy way to combat yet another increasingly common sexually transmitted disease.

Some experts who see trouble ahead cite the heated battle concerning an over-the-counter morning-after pill recommended for girls as young as 16 by a federal panel in 2003. Anti-abortion groups opposed the contraceptive pill, and the Food and Drug Administration still hasn't approved it.

"Sex is a scary thing in this culture, and the age of the girls to be vaccinated will really be an issue," said Janice Irvine, a University of Massachusetts sociology professor and author of "Talk About Sex," a book on sex education. "You can expect opposition to this vaccine."

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The heady forecasts stem from data showing cervical cancer is widespread: About 500,000 women worldwide are diagnosed each year, leading to 230,000 deaths, according to the World Health Organization. In the United States, about 15,000 women are diagnosed annually.

For the companies to realize those billions of dollars in annual revenue, they are expected to advertise widely and charge a lot, Evans said. Merck will likely charge $100 for each of three needed doses, he said, while Glaxo may charge $80 per dose.

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The drug makers are unwilling to discuss prices, but note that diagnosing and treating HPV is expensive. Related health costs were estimated to be at least $1.6 billion annually, according to a 1999 federal study. The costs include doctor visits, Pap tests to detect cervical cancer and follow-up procedures.

"A vaccine would be a more efficient use of health care dollars," said Evan Myers, an associate professor of obstetrics and gynecology at Duke University and a consultant to Merck who has studied the economic impact of an HPV vaccine.

The best way to maximize savings, the companies maintain, is to vaccinate children as young as possible. London-based GlaxoSmithKline plc plans to push for vaccinating girls as young as 10, according to David Pernock, senior vice president for pharmaceuticals and vaccines.

"Anyone who thinks a lot of teenagers aren't sexually active has their head in the sand," said Cody Meissner, a pediatrics professor at Tufts-New England Medical Center in Boston and vice chair of the American Academy of Pediatrics' infectious disease committee.

"No one's pleased about that, but it's a fact of life," Meissner said. "If the results of the final-stage clinical trials for these vaccines are consistent with what's known so far, they will be a wonderful contribution to public health."

But convincing doctors may prove easier than persuading state officials to require vaccination, as Merck intends to do.

"I don't think we'd require the schools to mandate something like this," said Eddy Bresnitz, deputy commissioner of New Jersey's Department of Health and Senior Services. "I'm sure the battle will be huge, and I'm not sure it's a battle we should be fighting."

April 8, 2005

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A better article about what the cure actually does:

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Merck vaccine shown to block cervical cancer, genital warts

An enhanced version of an experimental vaccine against human papillomavirus was 90% effective in blocking four types of the sexually transmitted disease, according to a study published Wednesday. Merck's Gardasil was designed to block HPV types 16 and 18, which cause about 70% of cervical cancer cases, and types 6 and 11, responsible for about 90% of genital wart cases.

"It's the first time we show efficacy for the most broad-coverage vaccine in development," says Eliav Barr, who runs Merck's HPV vaccine development program. Since most HPV infections clear on their own, vaccine developers are focusing on those types that cause persistent or long-term infection, said Barr.

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dude, it helps prevent cancer. family groups are pro cancer.

edit: that is just the logical extension that people like that use.

edit2: if there was a vaccine against herpes (simplex 1) then i would still not be having sex right now. i dont know how people think that precautionary measures increase the desire to have sex.

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Just another illogical day with the fundies.

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Uhm... has anyone ever decided to abstain from sex because of the odd chance of cervical cancer? Really?

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yes. jesus. jesus was a great big vag.

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Uh, the drug only works against some STDs. You'd have to be stupid to think this is a green light.

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What makes me angry is that some parents would rather have uncured diseases so they could continue threaten their children not to have sex.

These diseases give them a pseudo logical reason for people to abstain from sex, and they'd hate to be proven wrong.

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but i doubt STDs are a reason people abstain from sex. right after i was diagnozed with herpes i fooled around with some girl and gave it to her. i told her beforehgand that i had it toom abd that didnt stop anthing.

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but i doubt STDs are a reason people abstain from sex

i know this isn't the reason

but it is one of the pre-text used by parenting groups..

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How many deaths per year is worth it to possibly scare some teenage girls from indulging in sex?

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but i doubt STDs are a reason people abstain from sex. right after i was diagnozed with herpes i fooled around with some girl and gave it to her. i told her beforehgand that i had it toom abd that didnt stop anthing.


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dude, she knew the risk, and she stillwanted my jock.

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Hitler wouldn't have sex because he feared STDs. Maybe he was a bit like Jesus after all

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MRT - when my girlfriend had a bad flu, did that stop me from anything

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i knew i didnt trust him for some reason. i never trust anyone that hasnt had sex

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MRT - when my girlfriend had a bad flu, did that stop me from anything


dude, when i had mononucleosis that didnt stop me

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When I looked up mononucleosis, I also checked out some herpes vocabulary. Before that I just thought what the heck is that dude talking about, 40% of the population have herpes in them! Now I know what herpes simplex REALLY is .

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i have simplex 1 and 4

go me!

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Uhm... has anyone ever decided to abstain from sex because of the odd chance of cervical cancer? Really?



Yes, I have frequently. However, god must clearly love me, as I have never developed it despite all the sex I've had.


Of course cervical cancer could just be god's way of saying ' buy your ice cream from Mr Fellatio's van....'

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To be fair, it says most parents are in favour of the vaccine.

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The problem wiht this statement is, that clearly they have scared their own kids from having sex, because of the STDs. That's definitely the right way to destroy someones healthy sexuality and turn them into pervs, or oppressed nude body haters. Because, they think sex is bad. And they scare the kids saying they WILL get STDs, instead of instructing them on how to protect yourself. So, it's pretty sick. And maybe they shouldn't teach anyone anything, clearly they didn't work out how to use condom either.

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They're a "parenting" group, and they say they want kids having less sex? Odd. Most groups try to encourage moves that will swell their own ranks...

Stupid jokes aside, I have nothing to say, really. "Fundamentalists are irrational!" No, really? What are bears doing in the woods these days?

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Pekka: Teach, what are you thinking? Where would society be if we educated people instead of scaring and intimidating them.
Really, better think before you open the mouth.

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Heh, true, but sometimes you scare them off, sometimes you don't. When it coems to sexuality, you tell me what is the benefit of screwing someones head into thinking nudity, genitalia etc is forbidden, taboo, ugly or something that should be your matter. I once heard, that someone was ashamed of himself naked. I mean that's ok, fairly common that you think you're not perfect, but that the person was ashamed of himself even when he was alone! wouldn't get naked alone either! How screwed up is that? You have to be really messed up.

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You know, there are plenty more STDs where that came from. The vaccine doesn't do a thing for gonorrhea, chlamydia, trichomonas, lymphogranuloma venerium, chancroid, herpes genitalis or HIV. So why shgould this group obsess over one?

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Heh, true, but sometimes you scare them off, sometimes you don't. When it coems to sexuality, you tell me what is the benefit of screwing someones head into thinking nudity, genitalia etc is forbidden, taboo, ugly or something that should be your matter. I once heard, that someone was ashamed of himself naked. I mean that's ok, fairly common that you think you're not perfect, but that the person was ashamed of himself even when he was alone! wouldn't get naked alone either! How screwed up is that? You have to be really messed up.


This kind of shame is lamentably not so uncommon as we'd like to think.
And I was more making a joke about the education bit. Of course it's better to educate people, helping them to acquire a more autonomous thinking. But lamentably, this is only an ideal and fear and force the only ways to assure discipline. (I'm currently reading a book about anarchists in the Spanish Civil War, and it's very funny how even fervent leaders of the movement at some point argued for militarization and hierarchical systems to improve the discipline grassroots-militias...)
Or, as Xenophanes put it, "If we all were philosophers, we'd need no gods", meaning religion as a tool for social discipline.
But I'm not really a pragmatist but idealist, so let's educate people, let them no longer be slaves of a ruling caste.

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What makes me angry is that some parents would rather have uncured diseases so they could continue threaten their children not to have sex.


More proof that conservative christians are evil people.

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You know, there are plenty more STDs where that came from. The vaccine doesn't do a thing for gonorrhea, chlamydia, trichomonas, lymphogranuloma venerium, chancroid, herpes genitalis or HIV. So why shgould this group obsess over one?


It just goes to show what the fundies will say should such cures come along in the future. If they complain about these, I can't wait to see what they would say should someone find a vaccine for HIV.

By their logic, I suppose we should complain about doctors performing spinal surgeries, as it will encourage kids to go out and ride motorcycles and possibly get injured.

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