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IMO, the PS3 isn't a success, design-wise. The 360 looks way better. And the croissant-looking gamepads...

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That PS3 controller is crap.

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Images of Nintendo's "Revolution":




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As expected, the Revolution will be the weakest of the bunch:
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E3 2005: Revolution Details Emerge
Two-to-three more times powerful than GameCube.
by Matt Casamassina

May 17, 2005 - New details regarding Nintendo's next-generation console, codenamed Revolution, have started to sprinkle onto the Internet. The machine, which will be revealed during Nintendo's pre-E3 2005 show on Tuesday morning in Los Angeles, will sport a slick, black design and a front blue light.

Revolution will be "two-to-three times more powerful than GameCube," according to Nintendo, which also acknowledges that the next-generation race isn't solely about new technologies. By contrast, Microsoft's Xbox 360 console is 13-15 times more powerful than the first, according to the publisher. And Sony says it's PlayStation 3 is roughly 35 times more powerful than PlayStation 2.

Nintendo also revealed that using Revolution's new Wi-Fi connection, gamers would be able to go online to a free gamer-matching service. Interestingly, in a move similar to Microsoft's Xbox Live Arcade service, Revolution users will be able to download classic and new Nintendo games over the Internet. Nintendo cited such examples as Donkey Kong and Super Mario Sunshine, which suggests that Revolutionaries could have access to games for all the publisher's previous consoles.

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Nintendo's finished, in the console market at least. Sad but true...


They'll be going the way of Sega & Atari by getting out of the hardware business and becoming strictly a software company.

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I don't know about that. They still have a commanding presence in the handheld market.

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As expected, the Revolution will be the weakest of the bunch:


I'll believe it when I see actual specs and comparisons as opposed to comparisons against bullshit marketing numbers from the other guys.

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Look at the size of the thing.

It won't be the fastest. Nintendo's been downplaying the specs/technology for a while now as well, saying it's not about power.

The signs are all there, even without Nintendo's admission.

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Revolution looks a bit like PS2...

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Sony adding Blu-Ray to the PS3

Sony supporting Compact Flash cards

Sounds expensive, though.

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That's because 1080p isn't a standard HDTV resolution yet.


You're FOS. It's a standard ATSC format.

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Nice slick design. A bit conservative though, compared to the 360. Now does it live up to its name? What's so revolutionary about it?

I see the Revolution also uses a slot-drive system. I think Microsoft made a poor design decision using a standard DVD tray. The slot-drive is the only way to go if you really want to use your console vertically.

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Sony adding Blu-Ray to the PS3

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You're FOS. It's a standard ATSC format.


I wonder if that means that Sony and Toshiba didn't come to an agreement on next-gen DVD's.

The 360 is progressive-scan btw.

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I'm not sure what it means, other than HD-DVD will be entering the market at a much, much lower price point than DVD did.

I was expecting the X-Box to have these features and Sony not to have them. Interesting! Advantage Sony, without those ugly controllers and the front-loading optical trays (I guarantee they'll have tons of complaints about scratched discs).

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The 360 is progressive-scan btw.


Anything less would be a letdown.

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You're FOS. It's a standard ATSC format.

Not at 60fps.

It's still in the draft phase.

There's a 30fps 1080p, but that's ridiculous for video games.

http://www.atsc.org/standards/a_54a.pdf
Please refer to page 24- table 5.1

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I'm not sure what it means, other than HD-DVD will be entering the market at a much, much lower price point than DVD did.

I was expecting the X-Box to have these features and Sony not to have them. Interesting!

You were expecting the biggest proponent of Blu-Ray (Sony) to not have Blu-Ray, while the biggest proponent of WMV-on-standard-DVD (Microsoft) woudl have Blu-Ray...?

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the front-loading optical trays (I guarantee they'll have tons of complaints about scratched discs).


Slot-drives are known to scratch disks? I didn't know that. Man, that sucks. Microsoft made a good decision after all.

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Not at 60fps.


No, not at 60fps. In actual fact, we're operating at resolutions well below 1920x1080 at this stage anyway. Nothing captures true 1920x1080. Nothing generates true 1920x1080. Nothing displays true 1920x1080.

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Slot-drives are known to scratch disks? I didn't know that. Man, that sucks. Microsoft made a good decision after all.


Yup. Yup.

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You were expecting the biggest proponent of Blu-Ray (Sony) to not have Blu-Ray, while the biggest proponent of WMV-on-standard-DVD (Microsoft) woudl have Blu-Ray...?


I expected Sony to hold the technology back from this part of the demand curve at the beginning, as has happened in almost all other technology launches. Sony is stealing a march on this one.

I expected Toshiba to give Microsoft a sweet deal to get HD-DVD on the 360, since it seems Toshiba is somewhat at a disadvantage with the current state of affairs and needs to change the momentum. Toshiba is probably providing the DVD mechanism for the 360 anyway.

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A bigger pic of the Revolution

Attachment: revolution-unveiled-20050517081338987.jpg
This has been downloaded 47 time(s).

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Another one

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This has been downloaded 48 time(s).

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Personally, I like the Revolution design the best, if only because it's the smallest and simplest design. It's the most practical. On the other hand, it looks too boxy.

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20 GB should be decent enough size for most people anyway.


Yeah. I'm hardly using any of my HD.

20 should be enough to keep me happy. I was going to be pissed if it shipped HD-less.

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Personally, I like the Revolution design the best, if only because it's the smallest and simplest design. It's the most practical. On the other hand, it looks too boxy.

It'll also be the weakest.

I'd prefer a beefy system that's slightly larger.

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Yes, I imagine the heat budget is not very high for the system.

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On Revolution:
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Nintendo’s next console turns the world of video games on its side: Due in 2006, the new console will be backward compatible with Nintendo GameCube. The console also will have downloadable access to 20 years of fan-favorite titles originally released for Nintendo 64, the Super Nintendo Entertainment System (SNES) and even the Nintendo Entertainment System® (NES). Players also can buy and add new levels and characters to games made specifically for the new console. The new console has 512 megabytes of on-board flash memory. A bay for an SD memory card will let players expand the internal flash memory.

The console’s stylish look houses a single, self-loading media bay for both 12-centimeter optical discs for new games as well as Nintendo GameCube discs. It will have wireless controllers, two USB 2.0 ports and built-in Wi-Fi capabilities. A number of Wi-Fi-enabled games will be ready at launch, and the new console will build on – and add to – Nintendo’s rich stable of star franchises. A new development architecture will accommodate both big-budget games as well as artistic, indie offerings designed to make sure that everyone from video game experts to newcomers find ways to share and enjoy the gaming experience.


Nintendo's webcast so far has been very embarrassingly bad...

The "Nintendogs" started unexpectedly humping, which was great.

Edit: They just announced the "Gameboy Micro". A smaller GBA...

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They just showed off the Revolution. Apparently it'll be even SMALLER when it's released...

Haha...

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No real details on the specs of Revolution. The audience collectively groaned.

Controllers will be shown "later".

Super Smash Brothers Online will be a launch title.

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Nintendo is as good as done in the home console market.

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You can download all NES through N64 games through Nintendo's online service, and play Gamecube games with the disc.

That would be more impressive if free emulators/ROMs weren't so common place.

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"It's a virtual console, able to download 20 years of Nintendo content. You will be able to Download NES, Super NES and N64 games."

Oh hell yeah

 
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