12-04-2005 07:03									#1
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Should a base 6 tech on a standard map at Regent level take over a hundred beakers to research? That doesn't sound right to me, but I have no idea what the modifiers in the formula are...

	12-04-2005 07:47									#2
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This is the one I've found that works...for PTW. I haven't seen an update for Conquests, but I believe it is the same or close to the same. If anyone has the updated one, I'd appreciate seeing it too.

quote: [WorldSizeFactor * [10 * EditorCost * (1 - M/[1.75N])] / (10 * LevelFactor)] WorldSizeFactor = (from tiny to huge): 160, 200, 240, 320, 400 LevelFactor = (from chieftain to deity): 10, 10, 10, 9, 8, 6 EditorCost: the tech-specific number that can be found in the Editor. M is the number of civs that you have contact with that have the tech. N is the total number of civs left in the game. Square brackets mean a rounddown (truncation) of the result.

	12-04-2005 07:56									#3
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Ah, thanks Rhoth, I haven't been able to find that.

Rommel: 24*6 sounds like more than 100 beakers to me.

	12-04-2005 08:11									#4
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Assuming the numbers on nethog's reference sheet are a tenth of the editor's, that would come out in the ballpark at least. (I must have been thrown by having too few tribes for that size map...)

	12-04-2005 19:17									#5
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Is the number fixed for the whole time you are researching or can it change based on world events?

It looks like if I want to reduce the beaker cost of the next tech, I should wipe out a civ that does not have that tech. Interesting. After I conquer a civ's mainland, I often make peace and leave their little island holdings alone. If they're backwards technologically, it looks like I should just finish them off instead. However if they are advanced, leaving them alone is the right thing to do. Of course, if I'm the tech leader, it doesn't make any difference either way.

Last edited by gunkulator on 12-04-2005 at 19:23

	12-04-2005 21:01									#6
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Wiping them will slightly help your research rate for the rest of the game and hurt the AI rate. Not to mention that if you captured any of their cities, it prevents flips.

	13-04-2005 00:14									#7
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quote: Originally posted by gunkulator Is the number fixed for the whole time you are researching or can it change based on world events?

It can change. For example if someone you know finished research on a tech you were researching then the time it takes you to finish research is lessened per the formula.

	21-04-2005 00:24									#8
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that's why I never destroy completely a civilization - it hinders the research of the other teams

	21-04-2005 00:46									#9
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24 * 6 = 144

quote: Originally posted by Kloreep Ah, thanks Rhoth, I haven't been able to find that. Rommel: 24*6 sounds like more than 100 beakers to me.

	21-04-2005 00:57									#10
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Wiping a civ out changes the values given on the discount for knowing civs that already have that tech.

So no affect when reseraching a tech no one else has.

0 / X == 0 / (X - 1) when X >2.

As for reseraching techs someone else has:

Civs that are behind the civ that got wiped out are hurt. One less player they know with it.

Civs that are ahead of the civ that got wiped out are helped. The percentage of civs knowing what they are reseraching has gone up thanks to the wipe out of a lacking civ. Same applies to a civ with identical techs to one being wiped out.

Civs is similar tech positions but different techs though are hurt from the trade oppertunity being wiped out.

quote: Originally posted by vmxa1 Wiping them will slightly help your research rate for the rest of the game and hurt the AI rate.