Apolyton Archive  |  Preserved copy of the Apolyton Civilization Site and its forums as they stood in September 2005. Read-only; nothing here can be posted to or replied to.  |  Forum index |  About this archive |  The 1998–2001 UBB forums
Today on Apolyton WARDELL INTERVIEW PROMO A.C.S. HISTORY CHAPTER 4 GET CIV4 /w FREE PLUS! A.C.S. PHOTO GALLERY GET A.O.M. V1.1
Apolyton Civilization Forums
main| civ2| civ3| civ4| smac| ctp2| ron| moo3| galciv| galciv2| alt| about|
ApolytonPLUS | register | search | faq | new posts | pm (-/-) | upload | members
hall of fame new! | civgroups | civgroups news | interviews | the column | radio | chat | directory | news | store | PLUS
Apolyton Civilization Forums : Powered by vBulletin version 2.0.3 Apolyton Civilization Forums > Miscellaneous > Off-Topic > Any East Asian Politics experts out there?
Show a Printable Version | Email This Page to Someone! | Receive updates to this thread | Report this to Apolyton news!
20.Sep: FOURTH CHAPTER IN `HISTORY OF...` PUBLISHED
13.Sep: NEWS ON THE FLY
06.Sep: APOLYTON DONATES TO HURRICANE RELIEF

bottom of page
   - CIVILIZATION 3 $9.99 - CIVILIZATION 2 from $6.95 - CIVILIZATION 2 from $4.25 - ALPHA CENTAURI + ALIEN CROSSFIRE (laptop collection) from $19.99 - ALPHA CENTAURI PC $9.99 -->
Author
Thread    < Last Thread     Next Thread > Post New Thread     Post A Reply
Dracon II is offline Dracon II
King
Communist Party of Apolyton
Jan 1970
time: 15:17
  Old Post 13-04-2005 08:16
Edit/Delete Message Reply w/Quote
#1 Report this post to a moderator
Any East Asian Politics experts out there? Support Apolyton, buy Alpha Centauri

Okay, I'm doing work experience at the shadow foreign minister's electorate office as part of my degree. I'm supposed to write a research essay on a topic of their choice and they want me to write an essay on the future of the proposed "East Asian Community" (ASEAN+3, India, and perhaps Australia and NZ). Can anyone offer any ideas or point me to some good resources?

Urban Ranger is offline Urban Ranger
Apolyton Duke of Off-Topic

Donate to the Red Cross
The City State of Noosphere, CPA special envoy
May 1999
time: 13:17
  Old Post 13-04-2005 11:16
Edit/Delete Message Reply w/Quote
#2 Report this post to a moderator
Put an end to popups!

That doesn't sound East Asian in the least.

Dracon II is offline Dracon II
King
Communist Party of Apolyton
Jan 1970
time: 15:17
  Old Post 13-04-2005 15:20
Edit/Delete Message Reply w/Quote
#3 Report this post to a moderator
Get a bigger avatar today!

Thanks. I'll put that in my report to the possible future Prime Minister of Australia (though one of his assistants will probably read it instead).
The core of it is East Asia (ASEAN, China, Japan, Sth Korea [i.e. ASEAN + 3]) and Australia and NZ are debatable as to whether they're Asian at all. But politically, economically speaking, these are the countries that are important in the East Asian region so it is a relevant term.

Bosh is offline Bosh
Emperor
Taehan Mingook
Jan 1970
time: 00:17
  Old Post 13-04-2005 16:24
Edit/Delete Message Reply w/Quote
#4 Report this post to a moderator
Increase Your PM Length

You could do a massive amount of research about IMMENSE ****-storms developing all over East Asia due to disputes over very dinky islets.

Bosh is offline Bosh
Emperor
Taehan Mingook
Jan 1970
time: 00:17
  Old Post 13-04-2005 16:24
Edit/Delete Message Reply w/Quote
#5 Report this post to a moderator
Increase the size of your Attachments

I believe that there's some islands that're claimed by China, Tawain, The Philippines and Vietnam. Some islands claimed by China and Japan, some by Korea and Japan etc. etc.

Drake Tungsten is offline Drake Tungsten
Prince
Knee deep in alien womyn...
Oct 2001
time: 14:17
  Old Post 13-04-2005 17:33
Edit/Delete Message Reply w/Quote
#6 Report this post to a moderator
Got spare money?

quote:
I believe that there's some islands that're claimed by China, Tawain, The Philippines and Vietnam.


The Spratleys. Don't forget Malaysia's claim...

You also have the Paracels, which China, Taiwan and Vietnam are fighting over.

quote:
I'm supposed to write a research essay on a topic of their choice and they want me to write an essay on the future of the proposed "East Asian Community" (ASEAN+3, India, and perhaps Australia and NZ). Can anyone offer any ideas or point me to some good resources?


I'm no expert, but a possible topic could be the previous failure of Japan to exert an influence comensurate with its economic power in its relations with other Asian nations (including ASEAN), contrasted with China's more successful current efforts to court favor with the ASEAN nations and adopt a leading role in shaping the economy of Asia in the future. You can talk about where Japan went wrong, what China is doing right and what kind of effects this move towards a Sino-centric Asian economy will have for peripheral nations like India, NZ and Oz.

Dracon II is offline Dracon II
King
Communist Party of Apolyton
Jan 1970
time: 15:17
  Old Post 13-04-2005 18:26
Edit/Delete Message Reply w/Quote
#7 Report this post to a moderator
Get a bigger avatar today!

Yeah, was definitely going to write a section about that. The anti-Chinese sentiment in China, and the recent scrambling of the Sth Korean Air Force (that happened right?) against Japanese activities in the disputed islands are definite problems hindering possible integration of the +3 bloc.

What about Myanmar, Laos and Vietnam? Do their status as authoritarian or one party communist states pose blocks to further integration.

Dracon II is offline Dracon II
King
Communist Party of Apolyton
Jan 1970
time: 15:17
  Old Post 13-04-2005 18:37
Edit/Delete Message Reply w/Quote
#8 Report this post to a moderator
Support Apolyton buy from Amazon

quote:


I'm no expert, but a possible topic could be the previous failure of Japan to exert an influence comensurate with its economic power in its relations with other Asian nations (including ASEAN), contrasted with China's more successful current efforts to court favor with the ASEAN nations and adopt a leading role in shaping the economy of Asia in the future. You can talk about where Japan went wrong, what China is doing right and what kind of effects this move towards a Sino-centric Asian economy will have for peripheral nations like India, NZ and Oz.


Well if India became involved it could well be a bipolar bloc (with China the senior partner of course).
Australia already has bilateral trade agreements with Thailand and Singapore, and is currently negotiating with China, Malaysia and ASEAN as a whole (AFTA). We have closely knit security ties with Indonesia (despite the East Timor intervention) and have just signed an agreement with them strengthening those ties and committing to honour and recognize Indonesia's territorial integrity (a significant move given how recent Australia support the secession of ET). The +3 bloc are already closely integrated with ASEAN... so I think that an East Asian community would be making official and multilateral a number of factors that are already in motion. The thing is that they are already fairly well integrated economically... but politically there is no integration. An EU style system is far off... although not inconceivable.
The response of the US could be interesting. They vetoed Japan's proposal to create an Asian Monetary Fund (in response to the currency crisis)... which ASEAN +3 sidestepped with the Chiang Mai initiative. For Australia it is a particular problem... the one thing blocking our way is our refusal to sign the Treaty of Amity and Cooperation... on the premise that it may conflict with our treaty commitments to the USA. A bit of a faux paz, to say the least... in that it implies that the parties to the treaty could become belligerent in the future. Also I think there are still trust issues (especially between Aus and Malaysia, even without Mahatir, who was famous for his denunciation of Australia). But Asia's the way the wind is blowing, and I don't think Howard will sacrifice the opportunity for the sake of not signing a piece of paper.

  < Last Thread     Next Thread > Post New Thread     Post A Reply
All times are GMT. The time now is 05:17.
Apolyton Time is 00:17.
    top of page
Rate This Thread:
Forum Jump:
Forum Rules:
You may not post new threads
You may not post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts
HTML code is ON
vB code is ON
Smilies are ON
[IMG] code is ON
 




Contact Us - Apolyton Civilization Site - Support Us!

Building a better Apolyton through better information. Click here and take our poll!
Non-US visitors, click here!

Powered by: vBulletin Version 2.0.3
Copyright ©2000, 2001, Jelsoft Enterprises Limited.

Page generated in 0.0368 seconds (87.34% PHP - 12.66% MySQL) with 30 queries
Page Loading Time:

Support Apolyton: Amazon USA | Amazon UK | Amazon DE | Amazon FR |
Support Apolyton and get FREE PLUS, Buy from Chips&Bits: Galactic Civilizations | Galactic Civilizations: Deluxe Edition | Call to Power 2 | Civilization: The Boardgame | GURPS/ Alpha Centauri | Alpha Centauri | Civilization IV | Civilization III: Complete |


Front Page | Civilization IV | Civilization III | Civilization II | Call to Power II | Alpha Centauri | Master of Orion III
Rise of Nations | Galactic Civilizations | Galactic Civilizations II | Misc
Alt.Civs | Civ I | C:CtP I | About | News | Directory | Apolyton Store | Forums | Chat | Columns | Interviews | Newsletter
Scenario League | CSC | Clash of Civs | Spanish Site | CtP Maps | Cradle of Civ | WesW's Ctp1/2 Site | Civ3 Haven

apolyton.net | apolyton.com | civilization2.net | civilization3.net | civilization4.net | civilizationiv.info | calltopower.net | galciv.net | galciv2.net | moo3.net